Football Shockey rips Texans for lack of national anthem etiquette - Page 7

Deberg_1990 · 12-19-2011, 10:45 AM

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...te-2410816.php

HOUSTON (AP) — Carolina Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey criticized members of the Houston Texans for not putting their hands over their hearts during the national anthem.

Shockey says he saw "about 10 players" who didn't do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina's 28-13 victory.

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America."

Shockey's statements didn't make their way back to the Texans' locker room before it closed, and the team had no comment. Shockey's rant came in response to a reporter's question about the Texans' defense.

"This is America and this is just a game and they should not only be very proud of this country, but very gifted to be living here," Shockey said. "Maybe they just forgot to do it or something, but I don't see how you could forget to do that."

Shockey sports a red, white and blue tattoo on his right biceps portraying a bald eagle draped in an American flag. He caught a 9-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton in Sunday's game, then pointed at linebacker DeMeco Ryans and appeared to yell at him and cornerback Jason Allen.

Marcellus · 12-19-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Your free to move to any of those countries anytime.

Another great thing about America, you can leave any time you want.

**chasedude** · 12-19-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

It is the pledge of allegiance that you put your hand over your heart, not the anthem.

Finally someone got it right.

patteeu · 12-19-2011, 08:48 PM

Civilians are supposed to put hand over heart for the anthem too.

Marcellus · 12-19-2011, 08:53 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem

When reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, all present should stand at attention facing the flag with their right hand over their heart, with the exception of those in uniform who shall salute.
When the national anthem is played or sung:

Designation: The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem:
1. When the flag is displayed:
  1. All present except those in uniform should stand at attention with their right hand over the heart.^[13]
  2. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
  3. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute.
  4. Individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and
2. When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
3. The musician or musicians performing should sit or stand as they ordinarily would to perform on their instrument or voice.

crazycoffey · 12-19-2011, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Civilians are supposed to put hand over heart for the anthem too.

that's what I thought too, and
military members in uniform salute
military members in civilian attire can put hand over hear, stand at attention or parade rest.

crazycoffey · 12-19-2011, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Patriotism, in my view, should be grounded by your alignment with the ideas that your country espouses. It should never merely be a product of living in said country.

Me thinks there's a significant difference between loving one's country and loving one's child.
Would you ever put your country BEFORE your child?

What have you to say about people who don't believe America represents the freedom that their patriotism is rooted in?

There have been times in our country's history where putting your child first is accomplished by putting your country first.

And yes I have, I have missed precious moments with my children to wear a uniform in another country in duty to our United States.

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2011, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Canada has high taxes, shitty socialized healthcare, does not allow foreign workers and mandates that radio stations play at least 33% Canadian artist.

They tax the shit out of alcohol and tobacco.

While they have the same basic "freedoms" its way more socialist.

The other countries you listed (besides Belize because I don't know) have much higher taxes as well.

Okay. I'll give you taxes. I'll also give you another country.

Netherlands.

I can smoke a joint on the street in Amsterdam, but I can't even do that in my own ****ing living room in the United States. What gives, huh? Home of the free, you say?

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2011, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Your free to move to any of those countries anytime.

You're mother

Marcellus · 12-19-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. I'll give you taxes. I'll also give you another country.

Netherlands.

I can smoke a joint on the street in Amsterdam, but I can't even do that in my own ****ing living room in the United States. What gives, huh? Home of the free, you say?

Amsterdam is a bit of a mess from what I understand though I can't say I know from first hand experience.
C
an you imagine having to listen to 33% Canadian bands all the time?

Holy shit Nickleback, Rush, and Celine Deion all the time. Ahhhhhhhhh.

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2011, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Amsterdam is a bit of a mess from what I understand though I can't say I know from first hand experience.
C
an you imagine having to listen to 33% Canadian bands all the time?

Holy shit Nickleback, Rush, and Celine Deion all the time. Ahhhhhhhhh.

Do classical music stations in Canada have to play 33% Canadian composers? Do Canadian classical music artists count?

They must listen to a lot of Glenn Gould in Canada

crazycoffey · 12-19-2011, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. I'll give you taxes. I'll also give you another country.

Netherlands.

I can smoke a joint on the street in Amsterdam, but I can't even do that in my own ****ing living room in the United States. What gives, huh? Home of the free, you say?

yes, because smoking a joint is the epitome of freedom...

Anyway, weed isn't legal in Amsterdam, it's been decriminalized and there are coffee shops you can smoke it, but you're not supposed to smoke it in the street.....

Have you ever been to Amsterdam? Europe? Do you only know what you read on the interweb?

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2011, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. I'll give you taxes. I'll also give you another country.

Netherlands.

33.5%, 42%, 42%, and 52% tax rates plus another 19% sales tax on many goods

If I was a stoner, I'd rather move to one of many states where it is legal to get high..

Although the Netherlands is beautiful....I could go for summers there and winters elsewhere 8-)

crazycoffey · 12-19-2011, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. I'll give you taxes. I'll also give you another country.

Netherlands.

I can smoke a joint on the street in Amsterdam, but I can't even do that in my own ****ing living room in the United States. What gives, huh? Home of the free, you say?

Hell, cocaine is legal in Mexico - guess that means Mexico is more free than America....

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

Hell, cocaine is legal in Mexico - guess that means Mexico is more free than America....

I'm talking about freedom, dude. Why the **** should I give a shit about a country that shoves words like "freedom" in my face 24/7, but then restricts so many things I want to do?

Marcellus · 12-19-2011, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm talking about freedom, dude. Why the **** should I give a shit about a country that shoves words like "freedom" in my face 24/7, but then restricts so many things I want to do?

You do realize everyone just being able to do what they want would make the world an even bigger ****ed up mess?

Part of democracy is supposed to be allowing what the majority deems acceptable (even though there is some argument that that's not even the case anymore.)

Go to Somalia, I am pretty sure you can do whatever you feel like there. Great place to live.

12-19-2011, 10:45 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $94454	Shockey rips Texans for lack of national anthem etiquette http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...te-2410816.php HOUSTON (AP) — Carolina Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey criticized members of the Houston Texans for not putting their hands over their hearts during the national anthem. Shockey says he saw "about 10 players" who didn't do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina's 28-13 victory. "I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America." Shockey's statements didn't make their way back to the Texans' locker room before it closed, and the team had no comment. Shockey's rant came in response to a reporter's question about the Texans' defense. "This is America and this is just a game and they should not only be very proud of this country, but very gifted to be living here," Shockey said. "Maybe they just forgot to do it or something, but I don't see how you could forget to do that." Shockey sports a red, white and blue tattoo on his right biceps portraying a bald eagle draped in an American flag. He caught a 9-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton in Sunday's game, then pointed at linebacker DeMeco Ryans and appeared to yell at him and cornerback Jason Allen.
Posts: 68,678

12-19-2011, 08:48 PM	#93
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Civilians are supposed to put hand over heart for the anthem too. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
Posts: 110,871

12-19-2011, 08:53 PM	#94
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-507338	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem When reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, all present should stand at attention facing the flag with their right hand over their heart, with the exception of those in uniform who shall salute. When the national anthem is played or sung: Designation: The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem: When the flag is displayed: All present except those in uniform should stand at attention with their right hand over the heart.^[13] Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute. Individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed. The musician or musicians performing should sit or stand as they ordinarily would to perform on their instrument or voice.
Posts: 74,404