Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[Buck]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

JFC........this is what I mean.

Dumbasses.

Why do people just repeat this shit when they don't have a ****ing clue about it?

Then other dumbasses line up and go "of course steroids shorten your life span. Everyone knows that."

It's like a rumor that starts and the village idiots never get up to speed on the truth.

Did you know that prostate cancer is actually associated with having LOW test levels? And that taking testosterone actually increases your life and quality of life? Right, you didn't know that but you felt qualified enough to speak on this.

Same for GH. What do you think GH does for older people? Do tell.

You know that anavar is used on everything from treating people with aids to kids with 3rd degree burns and that it helps their body heal many times faster than without it? That it is safe and has been used for this purpose for decades?

It's funny. You could give someone deca after a muscular or tendon surgery, and their recovery time would be cut down to 1/4 of what it normally takes. But because Ben Johnson got caught beating Carl Lewis in 1988, doctors won't touch it.

We as a country and a population are ****ing morons about this shit. These people should cease to live.

I still hear dumbasses say shit like "don't you know steroids will shrink your dick. hur hur hur." It's actually your testicles that can shrink, and that some androgenics will actually make your dong BIGGER. Oh yeah that's right. Bet you didn't know that did you? They don't teach that one in "steroids are bad 101" did they?

You know what, I am going to outright put you on ignore for just this post.

I don't really know who you are, but someone who goes straight to very aggressive name-calling when they disagree with someone, even if they are right, is a worthless poster regardless of right or wrong. You obviously care very, very deeply about this issue for some strange reason, and it infuriates you when someone didn't similarly dedicate themselves to studying steroids and doesn't have your un-common wisdom. KC Connection's reply is an example of how a normal civil human being responds in a discussion or debate.

I don't even know if I'm wrong on this issue. I don't even care enough to check, because its not like its a major issue that comes up all the time.

I generally don't take people off ignore. Good-bye forever.

[ChiefsCountry]

Really why give a shit about steroids in sports, seriousally. We all watch these guys do things that normal people can't, if taking some juice makes them do it even crazier so be it.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Those who are undermining their health risks are citing information with normal use, which players were abusing by several fold. The number of steroid enhanced wrestlers dying from complications at a young age is proof that all your propoganda is meaningless.

So much fail with this post

Do you really think steroids are the only drug that wrestlers take?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Steroids simply break the balance of the game. To ignore the fact they don't flies in the face of the evidence. They render previous records irrelevent. The single season record that had been held for 36 years was broken six times in a four year period. Consider that record in 1961 was one better than the previous record set in 1927. And we're supposed to believe that a 35 year old ballplayer for the first time in major league history, actually got better with age. Those who are offense homers may not care, but they do make ballgames way too long with all the pitching changes needed in the now too common 10-8 ballgames.

Those who are undermining their health risks are citing information with normal use, which players were abusing by several fold. The number of steroid enhanced wrestlers dying from complications at a young age is proof that all your propoganda is meaningless.

Not a single wrestler has ever died because of steroids.

Do you know that?????

Jesus titty ****ing christ.

Wrestlers take a buttload of recreational drugs and pain killers. That is the primary drug(s) people should be looking at. But nope, no one has a problem with pain killers.

[lewdog]

People that consider steroids dangerous haven't read many studies....

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by lewdog_5

People that consider steroids dangerous haven't read many studies....

The most likely problem would be jacking up your HPTA and being placed on TRT.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

O M G

No. Just............no.

Whatever. Brilliant response.

Did you play baseball, too?

I love how completely incapable you are of ever actually engaging in intelligent discussion.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whatever. Brilliant response.

Did you play baseball, too?

I love how completely incapable you are of ever actually engaging in intelligent discussion.

You're commenting on something you have zero experience in.

Ran many cycles?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You know what, I am going to outright put you on ignore for just this post.

I don't really know who you are, but someone who goes straight to very aggressive name-calling when they disagree with someone, even if they are right, is a worthless poster regardless of right or wrong. You obviously care very, very deeply about this issue for some strange reason, and it infuriates you when someone didn't similarly dedicate themselves to studying steroids and doesn't have your un-common wisdom. KC Connection's reply is an example of how a normal civil human being responds in a discussion or debate.

I don't even know if I'm wrong on this issue. I don't even care enough to check, because its not like its a major issue that comes up all the time.

I generally don't take people off ignore. Good-bye forever.

He's a brainless juicer. He purports to be some MMA badass and former Junior Varsity superstar.

As such, it qualifies him to condescend to anyone that ever bothers to make a salient point. It gets especially apparent when he's clearly unable to put together a rational response, so he just goes to the aggressive idiocy.

You won't be missing anything, he contributes nothing. With any luck, the juice has rendered him incapable of reproducing.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's a brainless juicer. He purports to be some MMA badass and former Junior Varsity superstar.

As such, it qualifies him to condescend to anyone that ever bothers to make a salient point. It gets especially apparent when he's clearly unable to put together a rational response, so he just goes to the aggressive idiocy.

You won't be missing anything, he contributes nothing. With any luck, the juice has rendered him incapable of reproducing.

And yet a guy with zero experience in this area feels free to comment and explain it everyone, while at the same time calling me an idiot.

Oh the irony.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're commenting on something you have zero experience in.

Ran many cycles?

So it's your position that steroids don't improve quick-twitch muscles?

Why do sprinters use them?

Further, bats aren't light. Is it your position that steroids don't increase core strength? Because if they do, it allows you to move said bat through the zone quicker because your body doesn't have to strain as hard to move the mass. Or if you don't want to improve batspeed but just power, you can use a heavier bat. At that point pure physics come into play - heaver bat = greater ability to drive the ball.

So what is it, sport? Do steroids not increase strength? Do they not improve the effectiveness of fast-twitch muscles?

Are they essentially just super-sized Flintstones vitamins?

You're a fantastic argument for the perils of steroids.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Steroids simply break the balance of the game. To ignore the fact they don't flies in the face of the evidence. They render previous records irrelevent. The single season record that had been held for 36 years was broken six times in a four year period. Consider that record in 1961 was one better than the previous record set in 1927. And we're supposed to believe that a 35 year old ballplayer for the first time in major league history, actually got better with age. Those who are offense homers may not care, but they do make ballgames way too long with all the pitching changes needed in the now too common 10-8 ballgames.

Different eras of baseball have rendered previous records irrelevant...it has little to do with PEDs. Players have been using PEDs in baseball since since the 60s/70s and they'll continue to in the future.

I don't know why anybody is worried about the sanctity of records from a bygone era when they played a completely different game, anyway.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You know what, I am going to outright put you on ignore for just this post.

I don't really know who you are, but someone who goes straight to very aggressive name-calling when they disagree with someone, even if they are right, is a worthless poster regardless of right or wrong. You obviously care very, very deeply about this issue for some strange reason, and it infuriates you when someone didn't similarly dedicate themselves to studying steroids and doesn't have your un-common wisdom. KC Connection's reply is an example of how a normal civil human being responds in a discussion or debate.

I don't even know if I'm wrong on this issue. I don't even care enough to check, because its not like its a major issue that comes up all the time.

I generally don't take people off ignore. Good-bye forever.

You should still watch the Fost video. He brings an educated and objective position to the debate that really isn't out there in the media.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

And yet a guy with zero experience in this area feels free to comment and explain it everyone, while at the same time calling me an idiot.

Oh the irony.

That's right - steroids don't increase strength or enhance quick-twitch reactions. Ben Johnson just turned his eyes yellow for fun. Marion Jones ruined her career for poops and grins.

Nothing to see here - athletes are only spending millions of dollars annually and risking suspension, expulsion and public scorn because it sounds like fun. As it turns out, PEDs don't actually do anything to enhance your athletic ability.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So it's your position that steroids don't improve quick-twitch muscles?

that's not how they work. do you even know the difference between an anabolic steroid and an adrogenic steroid?

Steroids do not increase or improve "fast twitch" muscles. This a long ago exposed myth. Fast twitch fibers cannot be isolated by any compound.

Why do sprinters use them?

Further, bats aren't light. Is it your position that steroids don't increase core strength? Because if they do, it allows you to move said bat through the zone quicker because your body doesn't have to strain as hard to move the mass. Or if you don't want to improve batspeed but just power, you can use a heavier bat. At that point pure physics come into play - heaver bat = greater ability to drive the ball.

So what is it, sport? Do steroids not increase strength? Do they not improve the effectiveness of fast-twitch muscles?

Are they essentially just super-sized Flintstones vitamins?

You're a fantastic argument for the perils of steroids.

What perils? Do tell. How many deaths a year do we have in the United States are from steroids? Big fat ass ZERO. Second, try sticking to the discussion instead of personal attacks. It's just a cover for not being able to argue intelligently on this topic.

Second, steroids don't improve hand eye coordination. If you can't hit a curve ball because your hand eye coordination doesn't allow you to, no amount of juice in the world will improve that, no. Period. Can you hit the ball harder? Sure. And my question is WHO GIVES A ****?

How does it impact your life in a negative way?

When a baseball player takes steroids does a child in Africa die or something? What am I missing? What part of a baseball player taking something has a negative effect on your life? Just answer that. YOUR LIFE.