Chiefs Reid should have waited for a DC - Page 3

**The Bad Guy** · 01-17-2013, 08:27 PM

I know Andy wanted to get a staff in place, and I know he did ask for permission to interview Ray Horton, but was rebuffed, but he should have waited a week on the DC.

Horton is going to come available and it's a shame it won't be here.

TRR · 01-17-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

I am pretty blah about Sutton. But it is done and Reid/Dorsey were good moves. Wait and see on Sutton. Frankly the franchise isn't going to sink or swim on that decision. Wack him and hire someone else later if it doesn't work out. NBD.

This is exactly the reason why KC has failed since Marty. Consistency. Quit ****ing firing coordinators. Build a team around the same scheme and create continuity. Sutton isn't going to work wonders in one year. Reid isn't going to work wonders in one year. Dorsey isn't going to work wonders in one year. Stay the course, and allow them the opportunity to build something. All have proven track records.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-17-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

This is exactly the reason why KC has failed since Marty. Consistency. Quit ****ing firing coordinators. Build a team around the same scheme and create continuity. Sutton isn't going to work wonders in one year. Reid isn't going to work wonders in one year. Dorsey isn't going to work wonders in one year. Stay the course, and allow them the opportunity to build something. All have proven track records.

Pioli fired coordinators and head coaches like they were bus boys.

Are you suggesting that Herm should have stayed with Solari and Vermeil with Greg Robinson?

Because before Pioli, this team kept coordinators around for a while.

tk13 · 01-17-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

This is exactly the reason why KC has failed since Marty. Consistency. Quit ****ing firing coordinators. Build a team around the same scheme and create continuity. Sutton isn't going to work wonders in one year. Reid isn't going to work wonders in one year. Dorsey isn't going to work wonders in one year. Stay the course, and allow them the opportunity to build something. All have proven track records.

This is true too. The only guy they really stood by, at least as a coordinator, is Gunther. But there were guys that were obviously not going to work too, like Daboll.

Rexx · 01-17-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I know Andy wanted to get a staff in place, and I know he did ask for permission to interview Ray Horton, but was rebuffed, but he should have waited a week on the DC.

Horton is going to come available and it's a shame it won't be here.

I agree that they rushed on hiring Sutton. I was very surprised they filled that position so quickly. If Horton was a target, you would have thought the Chiefs would have waited until the Cards filled the HC position regardless if they were denied permission or not.

I think Sutton will do fine as long as he goes 1 gap and stays aggressive with his LB's. That being said, I would have rather had Horton.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Yep right after he forced Horton out
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You can spin it any way you want. The Bowles hire is 100% on Arians. It's been reported for days that Arians practically promised the role to him. The Bowles hiring is a terrible hire and that's all on Arians.

Hope they enjoy Parcells 2-gap.

TRR · 01-17-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Pioli fired coordinators and head coaches like they were bus boys.

Are you suggesting that Herm should have stayed with Solari and Vermeil with Greg Robinson?

Because before Pioli, this team kept coordinators around for a while.

Its not just coordinators. Head Coaches as well. This 3-4 year turnaround period must stop. What has it gotten KC? Reid has tenure. A proven track record. He hired Sutton for a reason. There isn't an organization in the NFL that could be successful with as much change. FIRE ROBINSON! What did that do? Gunther was hired and fired without much success and the wheel continues.

Stay the course for more than 3-4 years.

(Edit: Vermeil/Robinson was a one off situation as you knew Dick wasn't staying around long. It was a win at all costs mentality. Either way, the theory holds.

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RustShack · 01-17-2013, 09:46 PM

Lol @ the douches who say Sutton sucks when he's never even had a chance. Everyone wants something new instead of a retread and when we get one be sucks before he even sees a game. And please don't try pointing to when Mangini was running the Jets, because you are a complete moron if you think that was Suttons defense.

Nightfyre · 01-17-2013, 09:46 PM

Interesting thought:

What if the consensus in NFL circles was that the Cards would promote Horton. I mean, the Chiefs were denied an interview opp. for him as D-coordinator, obviously.

So. can we hire Horton as a defensive coordinator and make Sutton a consultant?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-17-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Interesting thought:

What if the consensus in NFL circles was that the Cards would promote Horton. I mean, the Chiefs were denied an interview opp. for him as D-coordinator, obviously.

So. can we hire Horton as a defensive coordinator and make Sutton a consultant?

Cards beat reporter said chiefs never asked.

**SAUTO** · 01-17-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can spin it any way you want. The Bowles hire is 100% on Arians. It's been reported for days that Arians practically promised the role to him. The Bowles hiring is a terrible hire and that's all on Arians.

Hope they enjoy Parcells 2-gap.

No spin there idiot.

HORTON WAS NOT GOING TO STAY IF HE DIDN'T GET THE HAD COACH JOB. NEVER. NOT EVER. HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE.

Had nothing to do with Arians, or anyone else that would have gotten the job.
Saying he was forced out by Arians is stupid and dishonest
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Nightfyre · 01-17-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Cards beat reporter said chiefs never asked.

I thought I saw a tweet where we requested permission... But I am too lazy to go looking.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-17-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Cards beat reporter said chiefs never asked.

Ask me if I care what a Cards beat reporter says.

I know what I was told by the same guy who told me the Chiefs were interested in Monte Kiffin 5 days before any other media outlet reported any interest.

Is it gospel? No, but it's been pretty damn accurate lately.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can spin it any way you want. The Bowles hire is 100% on Arians. It's been reported for days that Arians practically promised the role to him. The Bowles hiring is a terrible hire and that's all on Arians.

Hope they enjoy Parcells 2-gap.

I was meh on the possibility of Arians as a head coach a few weeks ago. Now I view that hire as a nightmare.

Poor Cards

RustShack · 01-17-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

No spin there idiot.

HORTON WAS NOT GOING TO STAY IF HE DIDN'T GET THE HAD COACH JOB. NEVER. NOT EVER. HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE.

Had nothing to do with Arians, or anyone else that would have gotten the job.
Saying he was forced out by Arians is stupid and dishonest
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How does that work since he was under contract? You really think Horton would have just not came into work?

**SAUTO** · 01-17-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

How does that work since he was under contract? You really think Horton would have just not came into work?

do you think a team would make a guy stay that wouldn't want to be there after passing him over and starting a new regime?

Yeah....no
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01-17-2013, 08:27 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Reid should have waited for a DC I know Andy wanted to get a staff in place, and I know he did ask for permission to interview Ray Horton, but was rebuffed, but he should have waited a week on the DC. Horton is going to come available and it's a shame it won't be here.
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3046954	Lol @ the douches who say Sutton sucks when he's never even had a chance. Everyone wants something new instead of a retread and when we get one be sucks before he even sees a game. And please don't try pointing to when Mangini was running the Jets, because you are a complete moron if you think that was Suttons defense. __________________
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	Interesting thought: What if the consensus in NFL circles was that the Cards would promote Horton. I mean, the Chiefs were denied an interview opp. for him as D-coordinator, obviously. So. can we hire Horton as a defensive coordinator and make Sutton a consultant?
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