Did y'all catch Squirmin Herman's spot on ESPN about Shady?

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We are obviously not going to change each others' minds, so I'll quit after this. But the product on the field in 07 and 08 was a complete and utter ****ing catastrophe. And under no circumstances is that product anywhere near acceptable. Ever. And that's on Herm. You can sling shit at Vermeil all you want, but you say Herm did good with the personnel and if he had got dudes that can play, the product is infinitely better.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And again, I don't know how you can claim he wrecked the franchise when he basically moved us from the oldest team in football with a lot of expensive dead weight contracts to the youngest team in football with $57m in cap space and the #3 pick. We were set up for a big offseason in 2009 which pioli squandered.

The objective of moving on from bad contracts should never ever end in the product on the field. Ever. The product was so bad on the field because he failed miserably to get dudes that could play. Then he doubled down on the fail by not being able coach his way out of a wet paper bag. That was a ****ing abortion. And he did it to my team.

And you keep touting the #3 pick as an accomplishment. It's not. It is a quantification of precisely how shitty we were. Go back and look at the top 10 I posted. There was nothing special about 3-10. The best is Raji and he's been anywhere from good to ineffective. And whoo hoo. $57M. No one single FA class is going to turn that around. So he didn't spend any money. He also wrecked the ****ing franchise.

Pioli was a ****stick, but he was not handed the keys to a ferrari.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You see 2 wins as a reflection of what he could do. I see 2 wins as impressive restraint to not trade meaningless wins in a losing season at the expense of saving money for the future, developing our young talent, and securing a better draft position.

No wins are meaningless. I'll tell you again. Good teams don't draft high. You don't need good draft picks to get good talent. You need a good talent elevator which Herm was not. Even if we hit on every draft pick and spent the $57M all on good FA (which never happens to anyone, much less Herm) this still wasn't going to be a good team.

Developing young talent? **** that shit. They should have just held self guided practice. Those guys had no discipline, the worst technique in football. So yay, they got some snaps. They also got their heads caved in by guys that were actually talented and knew how to play the game.

Moreover the lockerroom was a cesspool because Herm had killed any will to win with those guys. So, no, I don't view those wins that he ****ed off due to absolute incompetence as meaningless. He wrecked the ****ing franchise.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We set ourselves for a huge offseason in 2009. I don't know how Herm and Kuharich would have handled it. Perhaps they duff it. But that to me would have been the mark of Herms legacy, not the three years prior where he was trying to clean up vermeils messes. But he never got that chance which I'm okay with.

No the 3 years is on Herm. You try to prop him up by saying the 9-7 season was a point to how good he can be, he has to eat shit for the criminal negligence with which executed his job duties. Many other teams get from old to young without completely abandoning seasons from training camp. You can justify it whatever way you want, but Squirmin Herman mother****ing sack of **** Edwards failed tremendously at every single aspect of his job duties, including personnel.

**** Herm.