Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[BoneKrusher]

Well, i have come to one conclusion Brady has givin us a whole new meaning to the term, Airing it Out.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Hmm... whose knowledge of the Rams' playcalling do I trust more? A Bucs fan on a message board who bandwagoned on to the Patriots, or someone who actually played for the Rams in that Super Bowl?

So a chargers fan does not trust the judgement of a bucs fans who is bandwagoning as a pats fan currently on a chiefs forum? What else did miss? **** the broncos.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Valiant

So a chargers fan does not trust the judgement of a bucs fans who is bandwagoning as a pats fan currently on a chiefs forum? What else did miss? **** the broncos.

You called?

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I already read all about it years ago,even if I haven't remembered every detail. I already posted they taped signals, that BB admitted it in year 2000, that the rule was not clarified until 2006, Spygate followed in 2007 where they were penalized. I also posted signals can be stolen just not with a video in certain locations and as such, doesn't give the edge people think....since you can steal signals in other ways allowed and that does get done. If teams get their signals stolen it's on them for not covering them up better.


I never claimed you as an employee. No need to get bitchy.

Maybe you should, you know, not send negative reps.


Spygate: After reviewing the matter, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodall stated:

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field".

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."




Bill Belichick's response to all this has been essentially as follows:
I accept full responsibility.

My interpretation of a rule in the [NFL's] Constitution and Bylaws was incorrect

I will not be offering any further comment on this matter



Herm Edwards:
4 years before scandal, Herm Edwards waved to Bill Belichick's camera
Years before Belichick had his video assistant turn the cameras on the Jets in the season opener last year that officially began SpyGate, he was illegally videotaping the Jets' defensive signals. Roger Goodell indicated Belichick was doing this at least as far back as 2000, when he arrived as the Patriots' coach.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...ticle-1.286462

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Just pissing by and Amnorix are the new Prison Bitch/Bambi reeruned duo. Pathetic.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The fumble numbers since 06 is the nail in the coffin. Any former player can tell you the advantages of gripping that underinflated ball. It helps the passing game and ball security immensely. The Pats are complete frauds. But yeah Billy B just happened to will the team to holding on to the ball during that time Starting EXACTLY when the rule change began.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The fumble numbers since 06 is the nail in the coffin. Any former player can tell you the advantages of gripping that underinflated ball. It helps the passing game and ball security immensely. The Pats are complete frauds. But yeah Billy B just happened to will the team to holding on to the ball during that time Starting EXACTLY when the rule change began.

On Nov. 19, 2006, Doug Collins, the Green Bay Packers' security chief removed Patriots film guy Matt Estrella after Estrella was caught taping the Packers’ defensive signals.

As part of their probe into the allegations, the NFL required the Patriots to turn over all notes and tapes relating to the taping of opponents' defensive signals; the Patriots complied with the order and the NFL reviewed and then destroyed the materials.

This action was criticized on February 1, 2008 — two days before Super Bowl XLII — by U.S. Senator Arlen Specter, who requested to meet with Goodell. Specter requested the meeting despite the fact that Belichick had admitted to taping signals dating back to 2000 was reported by ESPN on September 14, 2007. After meeting with Goodell on February 13, 2008, Specter said that Goodell told him that Belichick had been engaged in the practice since he became head coach of the Patriots in 2000. Belichick said he believed he was operating within the rules as long as the tape was not used during the same game.

Nearly six months after the incident, the Boston Herald reported, citing an unnamed source, that the Patriots had also videotaped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI in February 2002, an allegation denied by Belichick. Meanwhile, Matt Walsh, a Patriots video assistant in 2001 who was fired after the team's 2002 season, told the media the same week that he had information and materials regarding the Patriots' videotaping practices, but demanded an indemnity agreement before speaking with the NFL.

Google...

[ping2000]

So we beat the shit out of the Patriots because their ball boy couldn't find the crapper or another place to deflate at Arrowhead? Yes!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Undoubtedly.

And it's not that I don't mind if teams cheat, I celebrate cheating in professional sports.

Is that limited to just professional sports? The Olympics? The financial sector? Your marriage? Your Kids? Your God?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by ping2000

So we beat the shit out of the Patriots because their ball boy couldn't find the crapper or another place to deflate at Arrowhead? Yes!

And Tom-tereific's looks on the sideline that game showed how important his balls are to him.

[JD10367]

The NFL got exactly what they wanted
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If you are a football fan that feels as though the Patriots have hurt the integrity of your precious sport with the PSI of a game ball, or a member of the media who took to your laptops and the airwaves to editorialize your distrust of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and Bob Kraft, then you should be mad right now; because the NFL played you like a fiddle.

They made a mockery of you. They dangled the bait in front of you and you snapped it up so quickly and with so much vigor that they haven’t even had to come out and speak to you and answer your questions; because you haven’t even asked them to.

And they knew that you wouldn’t.

They dared you to inundate an entire team of athletes and personnel with accusations based on your lingering distrust of Bill Belichick post-SpyGate; distrust that constantly leaves you calling for his resignation and/or the confiscation of his Super Bowl rings despite the fact that you have failed to exhibit the same vitriol for the also-highly-decorated Jimmy Johnson who admitted to doing the same exact thing.

You went on the radio and the internet and TV and indicted the Patriots based on nothing other than a couple of flimsy reports and an announcement of an investigation. You did that knowing that despite it being enough of a story that Belichick and Brady were at the podium talking to you about it, the NFL had inexplicably failed to even have a conversation with Brady yet. You did that knowing that this is the same exact league and Commissioner whose credibility you’d spent most of the season dismantling.

You wanted and needed so badly to believe that the Patriots couldn’t possibly be the dynasty that has reigned supreme over the last fourteen years that you gave the NFL the benefit of the doubt.

The league that tried to cover up their knowledge of a video of Ray Rice knocking his fiancé unconscious with a punch to the face, then had their Commissioner stand up in front of you and dare you to try to make him pay any consequences for it.

The league that, in the interest of financial gain, ignored and covered up the brutal health implications of playing for them until a beloved Hall of Fame linebacker killed himself and donated his brain to science in the hopes that it may save the lives of other players.

Why has it not also been shoved down your throats that they’re investigating the Browns for illegal use of electronic devices for sideline communication, or that the Chargers were fined in 2012 for cheating through illegal use of towels with a hidden substance? Where was the viral outrage when the Cowboys and Redskins were fined millions in cap dollars after being found guilty of purposely dumping salaries into the uncapped year in 2010?

Wait, you will love this one. Why didn’t the NFL deem it necessary to make quarterbacks and coaches speak to their accountability and respect for the integrity of the game when just TWO MONTHS AGO they caught the Vikings heating game balls on the sideline in a 12-degree game against the Panthers after they supposedly reminded both teams that it was illegal to do so? (Full credit and big thanks to Pats Krieg for compiling these.)

The NFL’s brilliant leaking of a “possible” Patriots scandal was enough to incite such a frenzy that you immediately repudiated the trustworthiness of Brady; one of the NFL’s pillars of sportsmanship and someone who has never previously been accused of being a cheater (or drug-user or rapist or animal endangerer or criminal of any kind). Not only did you question him but you attacked him. With nearly no provocation and armed with only a vague statement from an NFL spokesperson and unofficial reports from other sources, you labeled Brady a liar and a cheater.

After he told you that he didn’t do anything wrong and stood and answered your questions for 35 minutes, you came on television and arrogantly rattled on about “disappointment” in him; disappointment based on the inflation level of game balls that almost every single current and former player agrees is a non-issue. That consensus is further backed up by the lack of outrage when the aforementioned ball-tampering in Minnesota popped up in November of 2014.

Aaron Rodgers admitted that he hopes his purposely over-inflated balls sneak by the referees’ inspection, and you dismissed that as not cheating. Because you know that the pressure of the balls does not win you NFL games. You aren’t mad about deflation or inflation; you just want to hate the Patriots.

The problem is that if you do think that the Patriots benefit from ball pressure, then Rodgers just told you that he does too. You’re not going to start a war against Rodgers, so you make it about principle. It’s “the principle” of the matter.

Okay. That’s what they were figuring you would do.

So now we are nine days into this thing while fast approaching the Super Bowl, and the NFL has not even had to come out and actually call the Patriots cheaters. Nor have they addressed the issue directly to the media or the public. A spokesperson confirmed that there was an investigation. Then five days ago the NFL released a statement that took three paragraphs to say exactly what the spokesperson had confirmed: that they are investigating. The only notable addition was to note that the Patriots are cooperating fully with said investigation as well as a particularly preposterous paragraph in which they explain the reconnaissance mission in terms more suited for the script of an episode of CSI.

The fact that you so willingly fell into this trap is a testament to just how much power the NFL has over you. They handed you the narrative that they knew you wanted. They figured they could solve the “indignity” that the league had suffered at the hands of the mighty cheating Patriots by cracking down on the "bad guys”. They’d even do it to Bob Kraft to show you how they don’t play favorites.

What better way to help solve an image issue than align yourself with the masses against a common enemy? Bravo to Goodell. He "cracked down" on cheating without furthering angering any of the NFL owners that already don't like him.

You bought it hook, line and sinker because you're under the delusion that your team is all clear eyes-full hearts and has somehow been victimized by this. It is one thing to buy into a perfectly timed PR stunt. It’s another thing entirely to fall into the ignorant space between conspiracy and reality that enables you to continuously denounce the NFL and its most successful franchise as cheaters and liars, yet still voraciously consume their product that they've pitted you against.

The only way that this league will change for the better is if you stop letting the NFL take you for such fools.

[Katipan]

That author is angrier than 98% of the people here.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by JD10367

The only way that this league will change for the better is if you stop letting the NFL take you for such fools.

This man is a goddamned genius.

[Amnorix]

Now then, where were we....

Oh right, spewing alot of hot air over a lack of hot air which may have been caused largely or completely by cold air.

Hrmmm...maybe I'll try (and likely fail) to ignore this thread. 2,000+ posts. Good lord...

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Now then, where were we....

Oh right, spewing alot of hot air over a lack of hot air which may have been caused largely or completely by cold air.

Hrmmm...maybe I'll try (and likely fail) to ignore this thread. 2,000+ posts. Good lord...

oh, so you didn't mean it when you stomped off and had a little hissy fit...you are back....Pats fan coudn't quit a Chiefs board