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Old 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM  
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Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18





Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

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Old 06-22-2015, 12:03 AM   #211
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That was in response to King's post claiming Wilson was the 10-12th best QB.

Even if you agree with his ranking, he's got to be top 10 at worst.
Wilson's somewhat difficult to judge because essentially everything around him is in place for him to succeed. And sure, he's not a Matt Cassel/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Andy Dalton kind of "Shit the Bed" guy, but he's never been "Elite" in terms of yardage and TD's.

Now, maybe that changes this year with the addition of Jimmy Graham or maybe it just further solidifies that everything around him is great.

All of that said, I'd be very weary of giving up multiple first rounders and a massive pay hike.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:13 AM   #212
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Wilson's somewhat difficult to judge because essentially everything around him is in place for him to succeed. And sure, he's not a Matt Cassel/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Andy Dalton kind of "Shit the Bed" guy, but he's never been "Elite" in terms of yardage and TD's.

They're all difficult to judge because football isn't played in a vacuum.

I've already tried to outline some things that are less than favorable for Wilson. As far as receiving threats go, he's gotten the short end of the stick more often than not. Doug Baldwin, Sidney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, Heath Miller, Luke Willson, and a gimped up, unavailable Percy Harvin. Golden Tate is really the only guy he's thrown the ball to that was really worth his salt. He's also dealt with some serious offensive line woes.

Essentially the same issues Alex Smith gets a pass for on this site, people are not giving credit to Wilson for. "Well I'd take their receivers over ours!!!" / Really? Is Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, and Luke Willson any better than Dwayne Bowe, Avery/Wilson, and Kelce?

You'd be hard pressed to find a top 10 QB with a worse receiver/TE combo than Wilson.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:16 AM   #213
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I've stated it time and time again. I give absolutely zero ****s for total passing yards. I think that is easily the most overrated QB stat of all stats.

I care about QBs that make big plays in big moments while playing efficiently most everywhere else.. And that basically describes Wilson.

The guy threw 26 TDs his rookie season, 26 TDs again his sophomore season, and just threw for 20 in a "down" year. He did that all while having one of the lowest attempt totals of any QB over the past three seasons. The guy is ultra efficient.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:29 AM   #214
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Wilson's somewhat difficult to judge because essentially everything around him is in place for him to succeed. And sure, he's not a Matt Cassel/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Andy Dalton kind of "Shit the Bed" guy, but he's never been "Elite" in terms of yardage and TD's.

Now, maybe that changes this year with the addition of Jimmy Graham or maybe it just further solidifies that everything around him is great.

All of that said, I'd be very weary of giving up multiple first rounders and a massive pay hike.
Ha. So now, even if he puts up stats this year, it's only because he has Jimmy Graham. Got it.

Seriously ... Russell and Andrew ... Peyton and Tom all over again. One guy gets every excuse in the book while the other guy gets shit on for everything.
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Funny thing. Super bowl teams usually do have good players around their QB. Wilson is a stud. I wish we had him. I know I'd give two firsts easily.
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:35 AM   #216
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Wilson's somewhat difficult to judge because essentially everything around him is in place for him to succeed. And sure, he's not a Matt Cassel/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Andy Dalton kind of "Shit the Bed" guy, but he's never been "Elite" in terms of yardage and TD's.

Now, maybe that changes this year with the addition of Jimmy Graham or maybe it just further solidifies that everything around him is great.

All of that said, I'd be very weary of giving up multiple first rounders and a massive pay hike.

Yeah, who needs a legit, young qb.

I'm guessing you would rather draft guys like Eric Fisher and Dee Ford.
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:04 AM   #217
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Yeah, who needs a legit, young qb.

I'm guessing you would rather draft guys like Eric Fisher and Dee Ford.
This seems to be CP today. Either you want our QB to die of flaming AIDS or you want the team to suck.
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:11 AM   #218
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The way I see it, there are two ways to build a team. You either find an elite QB, pay whatever it takes to keep him, and hope he can carry a roster of JAGs and young, cheap players or you pick up the cheapest possible QB and use the money to build a monster squad around him.

Historically, the first has never won a Super Bowl. Never. The highest any QB has taken as a percentage of the cap is 13%, Steve Young, back in the first year of free agency.

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1994 Young 13.1%
1995 Aikman 6.7%
1996 Favre 10.2%
1997 Elway 5.2%
1998 Elway 5.0%
1999 Warner 1.3%
2000 Dilfer 1.6%
2001 Brady 0.47%
2002 Johnson 9.6%
2003 Brady 4.4%
2004 Brady 6.3%
2005 Roethlisberger 4.9%
2006 P. Manning 10.4%
2007 E. Manning 9.2%
2008 Roethlisberger 6.8%
2009 Brees 8.3%
2011 E. Manning 11.7%
2012 Flacco 6.6%
2013 Wilson 0.56%
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I'd give em 2 firsts and Alex Smith for Russel Wilson RIGHT NOW.

I think we would have a fighters chance at going undefeated if we had him.

The speed in this WR core and backfield paired with Russels ability and confidence in the deep ball would seriously open up this offense.
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Luck gets the excuses, Russell doesn't. It's Tom and Peyton redux
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If you had to choose which deal would you take?

Russell Wilson for 3 first round picks

Or

Andrew Luck for 3 first round picks?
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I'd give em 2 firsts and Alex Smith for Russel Wilson RIGHT NOW.

I think we would have a fighters chance at going undefeated if we had him.

The speed in this WR core and backfield paired with Russels ability and confidence in the deep ball would seriously open up this offense.
Imagine if we had Aaron Rodgers?
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This is the same board that thinks Flacco is a top 5 QB, though, so I don't know why I even bother
Well, Flacco and Wilson both have a SB win. And Flacco was able to beat SF. Ha!
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