Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

[DJ's left nut]

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

He use to look like a real QB



Him and Reid should have never met.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

Our Defense needs

1.Another LB if ford is a Bust Tamba is done
2.More CB depth if Smith leaves
3.Another DT to take some of the snaps for Poe

I really want to know why Dee Ford is not getting some snaps Chiefs need to see if we have to draft another LB next year.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

With a better scheme and defensive coordinator, yes I do. Facing a pedestrian offense led by Sean ****ing King? 10 points? With this defensive line as the core? No problem.

We need some adjustments at LB. DJ and Hali are washed up and the other LB spot is... well... it exists, I guess. But Marcus Peters just needs some time to develop as a pro, and we've pretty much nailed the secondary.

If we hired Wade Phillips this offseason, our defense wouldn't be giving up 30 points per game, I can guarantee that.

90% of the mistakes being made on offense are because Alex does something wrong. The plays aren't very good to begin with, but we won 11 and 9 games the last two seasons with an inferior cast of receiving options and that same ****ing playbook.

Just look at Alex. Use the eye test. He's not efficient like he was those past two seasons. He's waaay more jittery. More indecisive. Doesn't run around as much.

He's done. Stick a fork in him. This season of his reminds me of when Jake Delhomme was cruising along doing his game manager thing, and even had a very successful 2009 season. Then 2010 hit and he just CRASHED. ****ing bottomed out. That was it. He couldn't do ANYTHING right. He was totally done.

That's Alex's season right here. You can tell. He's done as an NFL pro. Next stop is backing up Johnny Football in Cleveland. He's got ****ing NOTHING left.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

With a better scheme and defensive coordinator, yes I do. Facing a pedestrian offense led by Sean ****ing King? 10 points? With this defensive line as the core? No problem.

We need some adjustments at LB. DJ and Hali are washed up and the other LB spot is... well... it exists, I guess. But Marcus Peters just needs some time to develop as a pro, and we've pretty much nailed the secondary.

If we hired Wade Phillips this offseason, our defense wouldn't be giving up 30 points per game, I can guarantee that.

90% of the mistakes being made on offense are because Alex does something wrong. The plays aren't very good to begin with, but we won 11 and 9 games the last two seasons with an inferior cast of receiving options and that same ****ing playbook.

Just look at Alex. Use the eye test. He's not efficient like he was those past two seasons. He's waaay more jittery. More indecisive. Doesn't run around as much.

He's done. Stick a fork in him. This season of his reminds me of when Jake Delhomme was cruising along doing his game manager thing, and even had a very successful 2009 season. Then 2010 hit and he just CRASHED. ****ing bottomed out. That was it. He couldn't do ANYTHING right. He was totally done.

That's Alex's season right here. You can tell. He's done as an NFL pro. Next stop is backing up Johnny Football in Cleveland. He's got ****ing NOTHING left.

I love you

And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

I love you

And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.

<3

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by O.city

I love you

And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/archi.../t-292271.html

I was happy we drafted ramik

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

Yes. The D isn't going to win the games in a vacuum. Above average QB play absolutely makes this a 10-12 game winner.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by el borracho

I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

I'm totally on board with investing in a QB. Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

Because that is *so* different than what the Chiefs have been doing for the last forty ****ing years.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.