Should the Chiefs sign Eric Berry for 5/70m with 38m guaranteed?

[BossChief]

I'm not sure any safety is worth that much.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Past seasons are no longer available.

Pass/run, though, Ward was at 74/79 this season, though. Stewart at 81/77.

Those guys played like Parker this year (84/73).

Berry was 88/85

Soooo...Parker > Ward, Stewart. Nooooice!!

[Eleazar]

He should be paid comparably to what the top 2-3 safeties in the league are being paid. He should not be paid like the quarterback.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I'm expecting Berry to be tagged, and signed in the summer..

Keeps him off the open market, but they know he won't play under he tag this time, so they will eventually come to an agreement. Berry will accept a good deal, regardless of what he's asking for, before he sits out the entire season.

Practically speaking they can't tag him, it will actually make things worse.

Berry's agent came out last year and said that the reason they were insisting on $24 million in the first two years was because that's the value that the tag would put on Berry. The tag, and their willingness to use it, actually hurt the Chiefs in those contract discussions because Berry's agent, perhaps justifiably, took a hard-line approach to the tag and what it meant for his client.

So the moment you tag Berry again, he knows that Berry is getting at least $13 million and what do you bet that creates the baseline for his proposed AAV?

The Chiefs could end up getting a better contract if they actually let him hit the market, IMO.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Practically speaking they can't tag him, it will actually make things worse.

Berry's agent came out last year and said that the reason they were insisting on $24 million in the first two years was because that's the value that the tag would put on Berry. The tag, and their willingness to use it, actually hurt the Chiefs in those contract discussions because Berry's agent, perhaps justifiably, took a hard-line approach to the tag and what it meant for his client.

So the moment you tag Berry again, he knows that Berry is getting at least $13 million and what do you bet that creates the baseline for his proposed AAV?

The Chiefs could end up getting a better contract if they actually let him hit the market, IMO.

Word. He was hoping for Atlanta last year but they drafted Keanu Neal. Most teams aren't hurting for a playmaker safety. I say take the risk. If things don't work out we got a 3rd round comp for next year and Eric Murray gets the go.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Practically speaking they can't tag him, it will actually make things worse.

Berry's agent came out last year and said that the reason they were insisting on $24 million in the first two years was because that's the value that the tag would put on Berry. The tag, and their willingness to use it, actually hurt the Chiefs in those contract discussions because Berry's agent, perhaps justifiably, took a hard-line approach to the tag and what it meant for his client.

So the moment you tag Berry again, he knows that Berry is getting at least $13 million and what do you bet that creates the baseline for his proposed AAV?

The Chiefs could end up getting a better contract if they actually let him hit the market, IMO.

It was reported that the Chiefs have been talking to his agent so it sounds like they want to get something done before FA starts.

Letting Berry go would destroy the locker room. It would send a horrible message to the locker room and cause serious distractions...maybe even issues with future talks with guys like Marcus Peters.

Jamaal Charles, Dustin Colquitt, Alex Smith, Allen Bailey, Dontari Poe, Josh Mauga, Frank Zombo.

Every single one of those guys are replaceable. They aren't key to the team moving forward. Draft replacements and help the cap. And yeah Berry has some flaws, but he's the most important player on the team right now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Practically speaking they can't tag him, it will actually make things worse.

Berry's agent came out last year and said that the reason they were insisting on $24 million in the first two years was because that's the value that the tag would put on Berry. The tag, and their willingness to use it, actually hurt the Chiefs in those contract discussions because Berry's agent, perhaps justifiably, took a hard-line approach to the tag and what it meant for his client.

So the moment you tag Berry again, he knows that Berry is getting at least $13 million and what do you bet that creates the baseline for his proposed AAV?

The Chiefs could end up getting a better contract if they actually let him hit the market, IMO.

Think of it like this. If we can't reach an agreement by the tag deadline, we HAVE to tag him IMO. Too many teams have way too much cap space and they will overspend on a player like him in order to reach the cap floor.

So, if he is tagged, and he really isn't going to play under it, he has two choices. Sit out and make whatever amount of money you get for that, or accept whatever the Chiefs long term offer is, probably 60/5.

He will take that deal every time before he sits out the season and loses market value.

[MTG#10]

His jersey is the only authentic jersey Ive ever purchased so they damn well better!

[O.city]

Tagging him isn't good business. If you can't get a deal done, say your goodbyes and let him move on.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Think of it like this. If we can't reach an agreement by the tag deadline, we HAVE to tag him IMO. Too many teams have way too much cap space and they will overspend on a player like him in order to reach the cap floor.

So, if he is tagged, and he really isn't going to play under it, he has two choices. Sit out and make whatever amount of money you get for that, or accept whatever the Chiefs long term offer is, probably 60/5.

He will take that deal every time before he sits out the season and loses market value.

He'd play under it at $13 million, which is why his representation is pegging that as his baseline.

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to pay him that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He'd play under it at $13 million, which is why his representation is pegging that as his baseline.

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to pay him that.

The tag last year is actually going to end up being detrimental to the Chiefs it seems.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He'd play under it at $13 million, which is why his representation is pegging that as his baseline.

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to pay him that.

I think it would be a mistake to give him anything north of $10 million per year but I'm already resigned to the idea that they'll make him the highest paid safety in the league.

[Black Bob]

I think he will get 5 years $65 million with $25 million guaranteed. That is more than honey badger got. I don't think any safety would ask for what you are asking in your poll

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

The tag last year is actually going to end up being detrimental to the Chiefs it seems.

I don't think there was ever a question that was going to be the case. Once his agents saw the tag as a positive development in anchoring his market value over 2 years at $24 million, the Chiefs had taken their best shot and had their bluff called.

Paying a safety $12 million/season over two years is bluffing with rags. Berry's people called and the Chiefs took the beat.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Does it matter? Pointless discussion. He's not getting that much. Way inflated over Tyron's contract.

The cap is expected to push 170m...up from 155 in 2016. That's a 10% increase. The numbers I posted are 10% higher than honey badgers deal.

Tell me again how my numbers aren't realistic...and probably the exact numbers the agents are using.

You guys should get used to the fact that as the salary cap rises, so do player contracts.

[The Franchise]

The exact numbers the agent is using? ****ing please. I'll eat crow if he signs for that much.