Chiefs Should the Chiefs sign Eric Berry for 5/70m with 38m guaranteed? - Page 4

**BossChief** · 02-03-2017, 08:51 AM

I'm not sure any safety is worth that much.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-03-2017, 10:33 AM

We have a lot of average QB salary to gut the next 2 years. They can make him fit.

kccrow · 02-03-2017, 10:36 AM

Too much guaranteed money, way too much.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-03-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

That's a lot of coin for a safety. That's about what TJ Ward (2 time Pro Bowler) and Darian Stewart (1 time Pro Bowler) make combined.

See. This is the kind of troll bait bullshit we are talking about.

kccrow · 02-03-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

See. This is the kind of troll bait bullshit we are talking about.

He's got a ridiculously good point there though. I think Eric Berry is being WAY overvalued, especially by KC fans in terms of what he really brings to the table as a player. I fully expect KC to pay a bit more than Mathieu's 62.5/21.25 deal, but 70/38 is going way over and above that. And to me, Mathieu's contract is overpaying for Berry. I happen to understand the leadership part of it, and he is a good safety, but he's still a safety.

I think KC could get very good safety play for half that, and that's exactly what Ward and Stewart bring to the table.

Ron Parker is a very good safety, and he's making 25/5.75. I really think KC is making a big mistake if they pay the kind of money to Berry that the OP is talking about. I'm worried enough about the 63/28 I predicted.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-03-2017, 10:46 AM

Oh c'mon, those two clowns can't hold Berrys jock. They are more comparable to Parker. I will say this once more ...You PAY for ELITE talent PERIOD

Hammock Parties · 02-03-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I think Eric Berry is being WAY overvalued, especially by KC fans in terms of what he really brings to the table as a player.

Berry had a top 5 coverage grade and a top 15 run defense grade.

The only other guys like that on PFF are Kam Chancellor and Eric Weddle.

kccrow · 02-03-2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Oh c'mon, those two clowns can't hold Berrys jock. They are more comparable to Parker. I will say this once more ...You PAY for ELITE talent PERIOD

I never said they are better than Eric Berry, but they aren't that far away either. Ward gets more tackles and is a better run defender, but not as good of a pass defender. The point isn't to compare them from "how good they are" though. The point is that you can get close to the same return for half the price. I'd take T.J. Ward at 22.5/7 over a 70/38 contract any day of the week. That's a HUGE price difference for marginally better pass defense.

kccrow · 02-03-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Berry had a top 5 coverage grade and a top 15 run defense grade.

The only other guys like that on PFF are Kam Chancellor and Eric Weddle.

What are Ward and Stewart's rankings for the past 3 seasons in run and pass defense Clay, I'm curious actually.

crayzkirk · 02-03-2017, 11:05 AM

I think this would be another mistake similar to many others made by this franchise. Yes, it has the feel of something good however does it actually do something good for the team. Lots of teams overpay and then are in trouble when it comes to signing the rest of the pieces. I would say that Smith, Maclin and Houston are three examples of players who have been rewarded with expensive contracts and have not delivered on the field.

RunKC · 02-03-2017, 11:06 AM

Darian Stewart and TJ Ward aren't in the same league as Berry. It's not even close.

Hammock Parties · 02-03-2017, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

What are Ward and Stewart's rankings for the past 3 seasons in run and pass defense Clay, I'm curious actually.

Past seasons are no longer available.

Pass/run, though, Ward was at 74/79 this season, though. Stewart at 81/77.

Those guys played like Parker this year (84/73).

Berry was 88/85

scho63 · 02-03-2017, 11:11 AM

I'm not sure how that would affect our ability to sign better talent and consume most of our salary cap.

Seems pretty steep to me.

**HemiEd** · 02-03-2017, 11:23 AM

Hell ****ing yes!

ToxSocks · 02-03-2017, 11:35 AM

Does it matter? Pointless discussion. He's not getting that much. Way inflated over Tyron's contract.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-03-2017, 11:35 AM

I'm expecting Berry to be tagged, and signed in the summer..

Keeps him off the open market, but they know he won't play under he tag this time, so they will eventually come to an agreement. Berry will accept a good deal, regardless of what he's asking for, before he sits out the entire season.

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crayzkirk MVP Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $860000	I think this would be another mistake similar to many others made by this franchise. Yes, it has the feel of something good however does it actually do something good for the team. Lots of teams overpay and then are in trouble when it comes to signing the rest of the pieces. I would say that Smith, Maclin and Houston are three examples of players who have been rewarded with expensive contracts and have not delivered on the field.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6609447	I'm expecting Berry to be tagged, and signed in the summer.. Keeps him off the open market, but they know he won't play under he tag this time, so they will eventually come to an agreement. Berry will accept a good deal, regardless of what he's asking for, before he sits out the entire season.
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