***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

They don't

Sure, we can do it again:

Every time we see increases in cases, we see increases in hospitalizations and deaths.

Granted, that fact may not mean jack shit to you.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Dinger runs away after facts are presented. Nothing new

Nah he just spins the narrative to his own qualifiers. Like here where now its not about whether it happens or not, its now about how often.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nah he just spins the narrative to his own qualifiers. Like here where now its not about whether it happens or not, its now about how often.

So using his words. His precious numbers can go up, but be ruled meaningless since they are highly inaccurate...cool

[petegz28]

I had Covid in October. There is still a good chance if I took a PCR test I would still show positive. If I have a heart attack and die tomorrow and test positive of Covid what column do you think my death gets recorded in?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I had Covid in October. There is still a good chance if I took a PCR test I would still show positive. If I have a heart attack and die tomorrow and test positive of Covid what column do you think my death gets recorded in?

Do you think a viral infection could cause myocardial issues for someone your age?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Do you think a viral infection could cause myocardial issues for someone your age?

That's not what I asked......but why couldn't it?

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I had Covid in October. There is still a good chance if I took a PCR test I would still show positive. If I have a heart attack and die tomorrow and test positive of Covid what column do you think my death gets recorded in?

Which ever gets the hospital more money.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I had Covid in October. There is still a good chance if I took a PCR test I would still show positive. If I have a heart attack and die tomorrow and test positive of Covid what column do you think my death gets recorded in?

I just don't know why this is still a topic of debate (which is why I largely try to stay out of it). Are a ton of people dying from COVID? All you have to do is call up your local hospital and ask to get an answer to that one.

Beyond that, I don't really understand what the value is in debating the nuance of the exact numbers at this point. Guys like you don't really seem to give a shit if it's 5,000 or 500,000, so why do we bother talking about it?

[jdubya]

My County has been shutdown for 3/4 weeks but they are extending the shutdown for another month because the covid numbers are still climbing. So much for masks and shutdowns slowing anything down. Maybe if we are all mandated to wear double masks?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by jdubya

My County has been shutdown for 3/4 weeks but they are extending the shutdown for another month because the covid numbers are still climbing. So much for masks and shutdowns slowing anything down. Maybe if we are all mandated to wear double masks?

How it works..if the numbers go down it's because of the restrictions. If the numbers go up it's because people were not following the rules.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I just don't know why this is still a topic of debate (which is why I largely try to stay out of it). Are a ton of people dying from COVID? All you have to do is call up your local hospital and ask to get an answer to that one.

Beyond that, I don't really understand what the value is in debating the nuance of the exact numbers at this point. Guys like you don't really seem to give a shit if it's 5,000 or 500,000, so why do we bother talking about it?

So you know the answer to the question is probably one you don't like so you have to accuse me of "not caring". Got it......


See, guys like you don't care if the facts aren't really the facts as long as it stokes fear. And that's all you like to do is stoke fear. Doesn't matter how.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

My County has been shutdown for 3/4 weeks but they are extending the shutdown for another month because the covid numbers are still climbing. So much for masks and shutdowns slowing anything down. Maybe if we are all mandated to wear double masks?

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

How it works..if the numbers go down it's because of the restrictions. If the numbers go up it's because people were not following the rules.

We will find out in 20 years that wearing masks actually made things worse!!

Probably not but the way this year has gone it wouldn't shock me at all.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So you know the answer to the question is probably one you don't like so you have to accuse me of "not caring". Got it......


See, guys like you don't care if the facts aren't really the facts as long as it stokes fear. And that's all you like to do is stoke fear. Doesn't matter how.

Feel free to tell me the level at which you would have favored "lock downs." It doesn't seem to me that you'd be in favor of shutting things down even if there were 5 million people dead, so again, I just don't know why you go on endlessly debating the numbers as if it's somehow going to change your opinion.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

My County has been shutdown for 3/4 weeks but they are extending the shutdown for another month because the covid numbers are still climbing. So much for masks and shutdowns slowing anything down. Maybe if we are all mandated to wear double masks?

We haven't had the shut downs per say but we have had a mask mandate since July and similar situation, cases continue to go up.

I still say masks may help some but I don't think they help as much as people think. Whether that's because people don't wear them right or wear the wrong masks or maybe the mask just isn't effective as we thought?

On that note I post a story yesterday that had a study that said wearing a "used mask" might be worse than no mask at all and of course I am accused of minimizing masks.

Point being some here have a bit of tunnel vision.

Suffice it to say there are more people wearing masks now than there were 6 months ago and the cases are surging. That's a hell of a coinkydink though I am sure that's all it is.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Feel free to tell me the level at which you would have favored "lock downs." It doesn't seem to me that you'd be in favor of shutting things down even if there were 5 million people dead, so again, I just don't know why you go on endlessly debating the numbers as if it's somehow going to change your opinion.

I am pretty much on the record stating that I think lock downs are dumb but if you want to lock people down then you need to compensate the businesses and employees.

I guess that's just uncaring of me wanting people to be able to eat, have a place to live a job, etc.


You on the other hand would have people literally starving in the streets. I just don't know why you go on, endlessly pretending otherwise?