***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Nothing in your post is accurate

Yes, all of it, including this:

Except that every time we see increases in cases, we see increases in hospitalizations and deaths.

You really challenge that?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dinger why are you risking the spread then? You literally seem piss your pants frightened of it. Seems you are lying.

[MahomesMagic]

No state has adopted as stringent a response as CA.

Why isn’t there more discussion of what we can learn from the fact that CA has nonetheless utterly failed at containment? https://t.co/F6rUB3iVn3

— Newman Nahas (@NahasNewman) December 17, 2020

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd be hesitant to say a MI happening when someone has Covid isn't a Covid death. Thats a tough situation to lay out TBH.

I once served on a child automotive fatality review board. It's a great example of how nothing is really straightforward. If you have a case where a kid was killed in a routine minor crash by a red light runner solely because he wasn't in a car seat, then was the death due to running a red light or not being in a car seat? Or if a drunk 16 year-old runs the right tires off of the shoulder on a rural road, overcorrects because she's never been in that situation, and then rolls the car, is it a drunk driver fatality or a poor training fatality or an engineering fatality for the shoulder dropoff or a fatality due to a long response time given the location?

It's easy to think that this stuff is straightforward, but there's often a cascade effect where one thing may start the problem but it's the combination that results in the death.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I know all about that. You are correct. But we also know people who are counted as Covid dead because they tested positive on PCR test. Many states have been doing death certificate matching, looking for more to add as Covid casualties.

Originally Posted by Donger

Prove that.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

PHOENIX – Arizona health authorities reported 172 new coronavirus deaths Thursday, the most in a single day, although 78 of them were identified through death certificate matching.

Arizona Department of Health Services also reported 2,525 new cases, bringing the state’s documented totals to 170,798 COVID-19 infections and 3,626 fatalities.

https://ktar.com/story/3448321/arizo...cate-matching/

Originally Posted by Donger

Thanks. And how many of the 300,000 dead do you think that applies to?

Way to move those goal posts.


MH: This is happening...

Dinger: Prove it...

MH :Here's proof...

Dinger: Yeah but ....

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Way to move those goal posts.


MH: This is happening...

Dinger: Prove it...

MH :Here's proof...

Dinger: Yeah but ....

I didn't move anything, pete. You'll notice he didn't answer my last question.

How's that Thanksgiving backlog looking, by the way?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dinger runs away after facts are presented. Nothing new

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I didn't move anything, pete. You'll notice he didn't answer my last question.

How's that Thanksgiving backlog looking, by the way?

Yes you did.....you went from prove it's happening to "yeah but how much do you think it happens?"....

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes you did.....you went from prove it's happening to "yeah but how much do you think it happens?"....

Okay. Pete crayon time...

I asked him to prove it.

He did.

I thanked him for proving it.

I asked him how many. He said he didn't know.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Dinger runs away after facts are presented. Nothing new

I'm sorry, what?

[TLO]

Inpatients at our hospital system hit their lowest point since late October/early November today.

Hopefully the trend continues.

[petegz28]

Kan. school district pivots to classroom model after flurry of Fs

https://littleapplepost.com/posts/ef...xiVPDuzZE93yzE

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay. Pete crayon time...

I asked him to prove it.

He did.

I thanked him for proving it.

I asked him how many. He said he didn't know.

You sure lie alot

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You sure lie alot

Speaking of that, you should probably stick to "CASES DON'T MEAN JACK SHIT!"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They don't