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Old 02-17-2021, 05:43 AM  
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What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
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Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

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****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:09 AM   #526
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He's too quick and too fast to not be open semi-consistently when he's running traditional routes.

The big issue is that he's JAG at every moment up to the point in which the ball is secured in his possession, and then he becomes a very dangerous weapon.

At this point, just send him deep on any play he isn't used as the gadget guy. Maybe then he can at least clear out one of those deep safeties for Kelce or Hill to work the intermediate.
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He has zero football awareness. It was pure luck, not skill that he got both feet down on that sideline pass
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:51 AM   #528
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He's too quick and too fast to not be open semi-consistently when he's running traditional routes.

The big issue is that he's JAG at every moment up to the point in which the ball is secured in his possession, and then he becomes a very dangerous weapon.

At this point, just send him deep on any play he isn't used as the gadget guy. Maybe then he can at least clear out one of those deep safeties for Kelce or Hill to work the intermediate.
It seems like too often he bobbles the ball before securing it.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:54 AM   #529
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We've began using him as just a speedster you flare out to the flat. Throw when almost wide open, and see how many yards he can run straight due to his speed. There is a role for that when you have Kelce and Hill blanketed, but he's never going to be the player we all hoped he would be.
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Old 10-11-2021, 11:03 AM   #530
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It seems like too often he bobbles the ball before securing it.

Yep, which is why I was careful with my word choice lol

I opted for “secured in his possession” as opposed to “the ball touches his hands” because he’s dropped, bobbled and muffed too many passes/punts for me to say otherwise.
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It seems like too often he bobbles the ball before securing it.
Or does not look for the ball when it’s there. He has poor awareness on the field. Wish he was able to improve in a big way for KC, but seems like he will probably end up somewhere else at the end of his rookie contract.
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Or does not look for the ball when it’s there. He has poor awareness on the field. Wish he was able to improve in a big way for KC, but seems like he will probably end up somewhere else at the end of his rookie contract.

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He’s really only good at one thing- those shovel-pass/end-around type plays

It’s too bad he hasn’t developed his route running, catching etc because he’s clearly a great athlete and is very dangerous with the ball in his hands
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It is blatantly obvious how much Mahomes doesn't like him.
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It is blatantly obvious how much Mahomes doesn't like him.
dropping two passes that hit you right in the hands in the same game is pretty bad

i also saw a play where mecole looked unsure where to go and mahomes yelled out before the snap "GO THERE!"

Mecole is a dumbass
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He just doesn’t end up where he’s supposed to end up when he runs routes 8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Anything past that and it’s like he forgets where he’s supposed to be. He doesn’t play well off script either. He is fast though! I don’t think he’d do any better with any other quarterback or in another system. This is the best version of him unfortunately.
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