Is CEH on his way out of KC?

[htismaqe]

I was watching the All 22 and it suddenly dawned on me - CEH barely saw the field.

So I started digging through his snap counts and discovered that his snaps dropped by almost THIRTY since Tampa.

In the last two games he's only had 17 snaps in each game. In fact, when you factor in the total number of plays on offense, his numbers have dropped from an average of about 43% of total snaps to 27% against San Fran and 17% against the Titans.

They weren't kidding when they said they were going to make Pacheco the starter but from what I can see, CEH is now the THIRD RB.

Are the Chiefs signaling something here?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I think the Titans are going to make a lot of OLs and RBs look bad.

yup.

[Eleazar]

I’m not a CEH hater, but he doesn’t offer that much on his own. Pacheco, while not yet anything special, runs a little better. McKinnon is maybe a better receiver. CEH is fine but is basically a platoon guy.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by mabbott

Please say this louder for those in the back!!!

Had 450 carries for a Tom Brady statue led team soo must not be end of the world

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by BossChief

McKinnon is our best back and Pacheco is a distant second imo.

It’s probably time to give Rojo a shot

You sound like the people that want Kinnard to play (for whatever reason); you simply want Pat to get killed.

[Eleazar]

Jones is a known quantity at this point, a mistake-prone back who Tampa let go for nothing.

[ChiefsFan63]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Last year was year two.

It seems so much longer.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I don't know what to think about the OL anymore. Their run block win rate is supposedly near the top of the league, and they were opening huge holes all night in Tampa, but in most games the holes seem non-existent.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't think they're all that great as a unit.

Thuney and Humphrey are awesome but currently the only two I'd say who are above average.

Brown Jr. is average, Trey Smith is below average, and Wylie is bad.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The issue though is I just watched backs that run like him destroy Buffalo, really need to get him in sync with the offense because they are so bad against the run if you hand it 25 times to RoJo he might have 150.

Again, he doesn't do anything but run. So, you can't really just trot him out there for run plays, or you're just screaming, "hey, dipsticks, look at us run the ball!"

you could if we were TEN or BAL or any team that currently runs more than 50% of their snaps, but not the Chiefs that only run it about 35% of snaps. At most.

We aren't ever going to be a power-running team while Andy and pat are leading this offense.

I think R. jones was always just a backup RB in case CEH and Jerrick went down, or a situation back when we were just going to run it over and over to salt away a game.

Maybe Andy felt like he could make Jones a better pass pro back and insert him in more situations, because that's something Andy would try to do, but it's pretty clear he didn't make much progress there, or he wouldn't be a heathy scratch every week.

What happened though, was pacheco turned out to not only be a decent downhill runner, but also a good returner and also was willing to become a decent pass pro RB.

And at that point, there's no reason to suit up Jones with his singular skillset of being able to run a little. Cuz he aint that special either toting the ball.

[BossChief]

I bet they tried to trade him at the deadline and couldn’t.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I bet they tried to trade him at the deadline and couldn’t.

Nah, that's not how they do it in KC. It's CEH's first season actually 100% healthy. They were always going to give him this chance to show out this season.

It just didn't happen. And it's not like he's a total bust. He currently has the longest RB run from scrimmage, the most yards, TDs, receiving yards, and I think the 2nd most yds/att.

But it's obvious he's not good enough to be RB1 next season.

We need a RB1 that can still make some hay (about 4.6yds/att?) even when the OL isn't perfect, because it almost never is, that can pass pro reliably, catch, and run some good routes.

[BossChief]

I keep dreaming about a guy like Jamaal Charles in this offense and think he could legit average 6ypc and get close to 30 total tds.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by mabbott

Please say this louder for those in the back!!!

Pass pro...sure. I get that. But he only averages 1 less reception per game in his career than CEH. If he can be better than CEH at running the ball, then he's the better running back for us, period. Especially when McKinnon is coming in on every 3rd down anyways.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Again, he doesn't do anything but run. So, you can't really just trot him out there for run plays, or you're just screaming, "hey, dipsticks, look at us run the ball!"

you could if we were TEN or BAL or any team that currently runs more than 50% of their snaps, but not the Chiefs that only run it about 35% of snaps. At most.

We aren't ever going to be a power-running team while Andy and pat are leading this offense.

I think R. jones was always just a backup RB in case CEH and Jerrick went down, or a situation back when we were just going to run it over and over to salt away a game.

Maybe Andy felt like he could make Jones a better pass pro back and insert him in more situations, because that's something Andy would try to do, but it's pretty clear he didn't make much progress there, or he wouldn't be a heathy scratch every week.

What happened though, was pacheco turned out to not only be a decent downhill runner, but also a good returner and also was willing to become a decent pass pro RB.

And at that point, there's no reason to suit up Jones with his singular skillset of being able to run a little. Cuz he aint that special either toting the ball.

And CEH doesn't do anything. I'll take the guy who doesn't do anything but run at this point.

[TRR]

KC is 27th in the league in rushing attempts. It’s really hard to get any RB/Run Game going consistently when there is no commitment to the run. Even harder when you are rotating 3 backs in, and splitting 20’ish (on average) carries per game.

To me, it’s not a running back issue. Not an OL issue either. It’s a repetition problem/consistency issue within the play-calling.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

Pass pro...sure. I get that. But he only averages 1 less reception per game in his career than CEH. If he can be better than CEH at running the ball, then he's the better running back for us, period. Especially when McKinnon is coming in on every 3rd down anyways.

Have you seen Jones run routes? It's pretty elementary. And he doesn't have any improv skills to speak of. Ditto his catching ability.

Look, it comes down to the fact that right none of the guys in the RB room are that great. Jerrick is probably overall the best of the bunch, but even Jerrick isn't that special. if we took Kareem back today, he'd easily be the best RB in the room, and from what I've seen of him this season, that's not that high a bar right now.

But Kareem could regularly make something out of nothing, and right now our OL is not creating a lot of good holes on a consistent basis, so our RBs are not producing consistently.

Pacheco is the only guy that is still mostly potential, so maybe he becomes that guy down the road, like next year. But he's pretty raw still.

Bottom line, the guy we need should basically be at least Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook type of RB. Jack of all trades, great at nothing maybe, but good at everything, physically about 5' 10" 210lbs or around there. Oh look, that's Kareem Hunt. Shocking.

You want real flash, then we're looking for more of a Christian McCaffrey or a Aaron jones type. Alvin Kamara would fit here as well. more explosive with the ball, but still good at all the other things. A prime or near prime Shady McCoy would be the ideal in this offense, because he was good at all of those things, and had elite vision and quickness.

But the running game would be perfectly acceptable with a RB in the Dalvin Cook mold. Good speed, some quicks, good vision, good YAC/RAC, runs good routes and good at pass pro. Oh, and stays pretty healthy.