Chiefs Is CEH on his way out of KC? - Page 5

htismaqe · 11-09-2022, 10:49 AM

I was watching the All 22 and it suddenly dawned on me - CEH barely saw the field.

So I started digging through his snap counts and discovered that his snaps dropped by almost THIRTY since Tampa.

In the last two games he's only had 17 snaps in each game. In fact, when you factor in the total number of plays on offense, his numbers have dropped from an average of about 43% of total snaps to 27% against San Fran and 17% against the Titans.

They weren't kidding when they said they were going to make Pacheco the starter but from what I can see, CEH is now the THIRD RB.

Are the Chiefs signaling something here?

CatfishBob2 · 11-09-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

LSU was one of the most absurdly loaded teams in NCAA history.

MEH was playing Madden on Rookie level, appears to be the long and short of it.

That's why I never get too high on players from loaded teams like that unless it's obvious they're a man amongst boys.

I just can't get past wondering what they saw on tape to overlook his measurables and pick him 1st rd. I can't say it enough smh

Mecca · 11-09-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

he doesn't pass pro, and he's a marginal receiver on the most pass-happy team in the NFL.

Square peg, round hole.

The issue though is I just watched backs that run like him destroy Buffalo, really need to get him in sync with the offense because they are so bad against the run if you hand it 25 times to RoJo he might have 150.

jettio · 11-09-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

5th year guarantee is almost 10million. They can't pay that for his production.

Would not be close to that unless he is a first ballot Pro Bowl player this year.

He is not going to play 75 percent of snaps.

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections

bringbackmarty · 11-09-2022, 02:00 PM

I think some of it may be Andy knowing he can get by without him depending on the packages for the game and the opponent. It's a longer season and dude ain't exactly healthy all o unless yuf the time. He's got the most experience of all the backs in the offense and even though he pretty much sux, Andy values that experience come playoff time unless you are washed up lesean mccoy.

htismaqe · 11-09-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

Would not be close to that unless he is a first ballot Pro Bowl player this year.

He is not going to play 75 percent of snaps.

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections

Thanks for the info.

Mecca · 11-09-2022, 02:06 PM

How many times have a worse backfield than us...that's a solid question.

**Buehler445** · 11-09-2022, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

LSU was one of the most absurdly loaded teams in NCAA history.

MEH was playing Madden on Rookie level, appears to be the long and short of it.

Right, but even just watching his highlights, he doesn't have the quickness in the hole, the sharpness on the cuts, or the stride turnover he did in the highlights. Barring some encoding shit that would speed up his LSU highlights, he just doesn't appear to be the same athlete.

Nevermind the player.

RaidersOftheCellar · 11-09-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, CEH ain't gonna be here next year. That much is obvious.

McKinnon is the only good back, Pachecho is whatever at this point.

Pacheco's a solid back. Did it look like he had gaping holes the other night?

Mecca · 11-09-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Right, but even just watching his highlights, he doesn't have the quickness in the hole, the sharpness on the cuts, or the stride turnover he did in the highlights. Barring some encoding shit that would speed up his LSU highlights, he just doesn't appear to be the same athlete.

Nevermind the player.

He isn't even as good as he was his first year, either the injury against the Saints or something else happened because he looks like an old RB that lost his talent.

mabbott · 11-09-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

he doesn't pass pro, and he's a marginal receiver on the most pass-happy team in the NFL.

Square peg, round hole.

Please say this louder for those in the back!!!

RaidersOftheCellar · 11-09-2022, 03:00 PM

I don't know what to think about the OL anymore. Their run block win rate is supposedly near the top of the league, and they were opening huge holes all night in Tampa, but in most games the holes seem non-existent. I know that CEH misses a gaping hole now and then, but that isn't happening on every play.

Mecca · 11-09-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I don't know what to think about the OL anymore. Their run block win rate is supposedly near the top of the league, and they were opening huge holes all night in Tampa, but in most games the holes seem non-existent. I know that CEH misses a gaping hole now and then, but that isn't happening on every play.

Pacheco ran right into a ****ing tackler on a screen...

the RB vision is an issue, against the Titans the line was not good though.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-09-2022, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.

Yup.

RaidersOftheCellar · 11-09-2022, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pacheco ran right into a ****ing tackler on a screen...

the RB vision is an issue, against the Titans the line was not good though.

I think the Titans are going to make a lot of OLs and RBs look bad.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-09-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Maybe they are searching for something that works. I'm not going to look at it from a snap count perspective. I am going to look at it at a usage perspective. And looking at the numbers lately it looks like to me they are being for the most part splitting the play calls that go to each one. For instance last game Pacheco with 5 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 9 touches. Game before that where Pacheco had his 1st start. Pacheco 8 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 4 touches.

This is essentially RBBC without calling it that. My personal opinion is that Andy doesn't look at or uses RB's in the same traditional manner that every one thinks. It is all about the touch count. Not YPC or snap count. Personnel groupings and play calling have a lot to do with as well.

I agree with you the problem is due in part to the OL though. OBJ made the wrong bet.

OBJ's run blocking has looked pretty good. The issue, lately, has been interior OL.

Then again, the Titans were deploying a 5-man line with a 6th run blitzing on many downs. That hurt the ability to run for sure.

I don't have any data on the plays we ran, but the RPO has resulted in few good runs and so penalties when we pass. I wonder if that needs to be limited.

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RaidersOftheCellar MVP Join Date: Sep 2016 Casino cash: $-619600	I don't know what to think about the OL anymore. Their run block win rate is supposedly near the top of the league, and they were opening huge holes all night in Tampa, but in most games the holes seem non-existent. I know that CEH misses a gaping hole now and then, but that isn't happening on every play.
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