Is Chiefsplanet seriously going to outlive Twitter?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Nah,

There are a billion reasons those other positions work better in person. IT might be the only one that works decent to great outside and thats because of the nature of it.

Admin/Finance/Accounting/HR where information needs to flow quickly and answers need to be had right away will always work better in person.

Respectfully disagree and in IT we are always troubleshooting stuff in real time. There is now technologies for this like Teams, Slack, Zoom.

The company I work for all admin staff like HR, billing, accounting never have come back to the office. Our CEO decided smartly that he was going to lose alot of staff and they can better utilize their office space. We do have a billing team where their supervisor makes them come in 1 day a week and they all hate it and don't see a reason for it. Mind you these same people 2 years ago all came into the office everyday and worked 40 hrs.

Times have changed my man.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Respectfully disagree and in IT we are always troubleshooting stuff in real time. There is now technologies for this like Teams, Slack, Zoom.



The company I work for all admin staff like HR, billing, accounting never have come back to the office. Our CEO decided smartly that he was going to lose alot of staff and they can better utilize their office space. We do have a billing team where their supervisor makes them come in 1 day a week and they all hate it and don't see a reason for it. Mind you these same people 2 years ago all came into the office everyday and worked 40 hrs.



Times have changed my man.

My company just closed two of our regional offices and turned loose of two of our four floors at HQ. It's saving us on the order of $75 million per year.

Granted, that's a drop in the bucket compared to labor costs, so there's a valid debate about productivity, but that's complex enough that no one REALLY knows the optional approach. But our turnover is super low, and all our financial metrics are still right where we want them to be. (And you can bet we're interviewing ex-Twitter folks - we need all the engineers we can find right now.)

Our CEO has declared us a "distributed" company at this point. We have an office for team meetings and such, but otherwise there's no expectation for anyone to go in. She also joked that she'll fire anyone caught sleeping in the office.

Like I said, I don't disagree that there's room for discussion about the optimal approach, but there's zero question that I'll stick with this place longer since I can work from anywhere.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My company just closed two of our regional offices and turned loose of two of our four floors at HQ. It's saving us on the order of $75 million per year.

Granted, that's a drop in the bucket compared to labor costs, so there's a valid debate about productivity, but that's complex enough that no one REALLY knows the optional approach. But our turnover is super low, and all our financial metrics are still right where we want them to be. (And you can bet we're interviewing ex-Twitter folks - we need all the engineers we can find right now.)

Our CEO has declared us a "distributed" company at this point. We have an office for team meetings and such, but otherwise there's no expectation for anyone to go in. She also joked that she'll fire anyone caught sleeping in the office.

Like I said, I don't disagree that there's room for discussion about the optimal approach, but there's zero question that I'll stick with this place longer since I can work from anywhere.

I think the real key to maintaining productivity is making sure you have remote workers who have good work ethics....I have always told my team that results are the best measure and that working 60 hours a week doesn't impress me.

I still think that coming to the office occasionally has it's benefit, especially when it comes to training or special projects. But if my team is meeting and/or exceeding expectations I could care less where they work from or what they wear while they are working.

What I wouldn't tolerate would be those that are pretending to work (there again results tell the tale) or those who work a 2nd job while doing the original one from home (this is a rare event but does occur)

[KCUnited]

I sat in on an interesting demo recently. Basically a program that creates user journeys throughout enterprise applications for the purpose of anomaly detection. It’s main use cases are rooted in internal fraud prevention within financial institutions but the conversation quickly shifted to the gray area of employee monitoring in WFH settings.

That seems like a huge waste of resources but it had peoples gears turning.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Probably about right for some entry level welders away from metro areas.

I doubt that very seriously. I'm not in the market for a certified welder, but I know the local coop starts almost everybody at $15 + Benefits + Pension the last time I asked. That's entry level unskilled labor.

I think a certified welder that isn't a couple assface could get better than $18. If they're willing to do oilfield work, that's 100K easy. Probably closer to 200K.

There may be pockets of cheap ass labor in some rural areas, but it sure as hell isn't mine.

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I sat in on an interesting demo recently. Basically a program that creates user journeys throughout enterprise applications for the purpose of anomaly detection. It’s main use cases are rooted in internal fraud prevention within financial institutions but the conversation quickly shifted to the gray area of employee monitoring in WFH settings.

That seems like a huge waste of resources but it had peoples gears turning.

Nah, man it's out there.

On r/Accounting someone posted an Excel Macro that would move the mouse every 5 seconds so their Teams setting doesn't switch to Away.

CPA Firms are different than most everywhere else in terms of work flow, but it's out there.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

On r/Accounting someone posted an Excel Macro that would move the mouse every 5 seconds so their Teams setting doesn't switch to Away.

CPA Firms are different than most everywhere else in terms of work flow, but it's out there.

People can find ways to beat the system....it all gets down to monitoring results.

Beside...all people have to do with Teams is put it on their phone and it will always show them Green/Available.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Nah, man it's out there.

On r/Accounting someone posted an Excel Macro that would move the mouse every 5 seconds so their Teams setting doesn't switch to Away.

CPA Firms are different than most everywhere else in terms of work flow, but it's out there.

This software could potentially capture this scenario if a company cared enough to looked. The premise being an employee leaves a crumb trail within the enterprise system. So clicks in certain locations at certain times, ultimately compiling enough data to create a user journey. So anything outside of that pattern would kick out as an anomaly to look into. I guess ****ing off at the exact same time everyday might trick the software but then it would get compared to peers with the same job title/description.

That said, seems like non-productive workers should ultimately reveal themselves as non-productive through existing internal evaluation processes.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

This software could potentially capture this scenario if a company cared enough to looked. The premise being an employee leaves a crumb trail within the enterprise system. So clicks in certain locations at certain times, ultimately compiling enough data to create a user journey. So anything outside of that pattern would kick out as an anomaly to look into. I guess ****ing off at the exact same time everyday might trick the software but then it would get compared to peers with the same job title/description.

That said, seems like non-productive workers should ultimately reveal themselves as non-productive through existing internal evaluation processes.

If you have good managers they will easily be able to sift out productive workers vs those who aren't doing anything..

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I doubt that very seriously. I'm not in the market for a certified welder, but I know the local coop starts almost everybody at $15 + Benefits + Pension the last time I asked. That's entry level unskilled labor.

I think a certified welder that isn't a couple assface could get better than $18. If they're willing to do oilfield work, that's 100K easy. Probably closer to 200K.

There may be pockets of cheap ass labor in some rural areas, but it sure as hell isn't mine.



Nah, man it's out there.

On r/Accounting someone posted an Excel Macro that would move the mouse every 5 seconds so their Teams setting doesn't switch to Away.

CPA Firms are different than most everywhere else in terms of work flow, but it's out there.

I think if you do any sort of school and aren't some sort of complete moron you could be an entry level welder and get $25/hr in a decent sized town/plant. The dudes that know their shit will command $40/hr plus and if you're willing to travel and do the hard shit sure you're gonna hit 100k plus.

I did look around at BFE Ozark country and see what welding jobs were there and it showed a few starting at $18-20/hr so Busby is tracking correctly there. They were bare minimum requirements though, like mechanical aptitude and pass an on-site MIG weld.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Pablo

I think if you do any sort of school and aren't some sort of complete moron you could be an entry level welder and get $25/hr in a decent sized town/plant. The dudes that know their shit will command $40/hr plus and if you're willing to travel and do the hard shit sure you're gonna hit 100k plus.

I did look around at BFE Ozark country and see what welding jobs were there and it showed a few starting at $18-20/hr so Busby is tracking correctly there. They were bare minimum requirements though, like mechanical aptitude and pass an on-site MIG weld.

Man, I need to see if any of those guys would be willing to move to BFE Kansas. I don't need a welder, but I could use some base level competency.

I'd have to ask around here, I try not to need anything welded, so I don't really know what welders make. But if they're working for less than $20/hr they need to wise up.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I doubt that very seriously. I'm not in the market for a certified welder, but I know the local coop starts almost everybody at $15 + Benefits + Pension the last time I asked. That's entry level unskilled labor.

I think a certified welder that isn't a couple assface could get better than $18. If they're willing to do oilfield work, that's 100K easy. Probably closer to 200K.

There may be pockets of cheap ass labor in some rural areas, but it sure as hell isn't mine.

I was talking entry level unskilled and that figure wasn't weighing in benefits.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My company just closed two of our regional offices and turned loose of two of our four floors at HQ. It's saving us on the order of $75 million per year.

Granted, that's a drop in the bucket compared to labor costs, so there's a valid debate about productivity, but that's complex enough that no one REALLY knows the optional approach. But our turnover is super low, and all our financial metrics are still right where we want them to be. (And you can bet we're interviewing ex-Twitter folks - we need all the engineers we can find right now.)

Our CEO has declared us a "distributed" company at this point. We have an office for team meetings and such, but otherwise there's no expectation for anyone to go in. She also joked that she'll fire anyone caught sleeping in the office.

Like I said, I don't disagree that there's room for discussion about the optimal approach, but there's zero question that I'll stick with this place longer since I can work from anywhere.

Your CEO sounds awesome and she appears to actually care about her employees. I would stay there too.

I work for a "healthcare" company and we do alot of behavioral health. We have had our best years financially during the pandemic and people working from home.

We started to see this trend a few years prior to Covid where it was getting tougher to hire psychiatrists and have them work in the office but Covid accelerated that and now all of our psychiatrists work remotely and do telemedicine exclusively. They also use Teams religiously. We have been doing telemed for a decade + but nothing like we do now where it is almost exclusively all telemed.

With the WFH change we have been able to utilize our office space and expand our services into other areas like dental and primary care. Been a windfall.