Salary Cap could exceed $220 million

[chiefzilla1501]

Also, much as I hope kelce has years and years left, we have to plan for life without him. I think we’d find out the limitations of our WRs very quickly without him. I love our WR room but everyone needs to be bumped down a spot for this to work. We don’t have a WR1. And it’s intriguing to think what mahomes would be like if he had a more traditional WR1. Not just tyreek where every WR has speed. An athletic WR with size and speed.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Also, much as I hope kelce has years and years left, we have to plan for life without him. I think we’d find out the limitations of our WRs very quickly without him. I love our WR room but everyone needs to be bumped down a spot for this to work. We don’t have a WR1. And it’s intriguing to think what mahomes would be like if he had a more traditional WR1. Not just tyreek where every WR has speed. An athletic WR with size and speed.

Well, we have two other TE's that are developing nicely as weapons. No, they're not Kelce, but literally nobody that's ever played the position is.

If we had OT's that could ****ing block, this offense would look even better.

We should NOT spend a #1 or a ton of money for a WR in free agency. Lots of elite WR's come from other rounds in the draft. We should take one every year SOMEWHERE, but not at the exclusion of the gaping holes we have at OT and D-line.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, we have two other TE's that are developing nicely as weapons. No, they're not Kelce, but literally nobody that's ever played the position is.

If we had OT's that could ****ing block, this offense would look even better.

We should NOT spend a #1 or a ton of money for a WR in free agency. Lots of elite WR's come from other rounds in the draft. We should take one every year SOMEWHERE, but not at the exclusion of the gaping holes we have at OT and D-line.

Not in 2023 we shouldn’t, but look at the current list of FA WRs in 2024. Many will be signed before then, but the market is absolutely loaded. We can potentially address OL/DL this coming year and then find a top notch WR the following offseason.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Not in 2023 we shouldn’t, but look at the current list of FA WRs in 2024. Many will be signed before then, but the market is absolutely loaded. We can potentially address OL/DL this coming year and then find a top notch WR the following offseason.

Sure, but a huge cost. What we do between now and then will determine whether we can afford to get into that arms race. Or whether we NEED to.

We've got Toney for 3 years cost controlled. Get that kid into a yoga studio all offseason, and maybe we've got something.

Skyy Moore, despite a slow start (which should have been expected) has been coming on.

We have a decision to make on Juju and MVS. We have a decision to make on Hardman, who despite not becoming a true #2 is still a real weapon. Missing time this year actually helps the numbers come contract talk time.

Take another WR in the 2nd-4th rounds to develop and see where you're at in '24.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Sure, but a huge cost. What we do between now and then will determine whether we can afford to get into that arms race. Or whether we NEED to.

We've got Toney for 3 years cost controlled. Get that kid into a yoga studio all offseason, and maybe we've got something.

Skyy Moore, despite a slow start (which should have been expected) has been coming on.

We have a decision to make on Juju and MVS. We have a decision to make on Hardman, who despite not becoming a true #2 is still a real weapon. Missing time this year actually helps the numbers come contract talk time.

Take another WR in the 2nd-4th rounds to develop and see where you're at in '24.

If they bring back Juju or Hardman, I think you can go into next year without a major investment at the WR position while we add pieces to the edge on offense and defense.

And god damn this WR core has some SERIOUS potential if they can stay healthy. Too bad that’s an unrealistic IF

Toney, Ross, Skyy and MVS all with a year in the system…IF HEALTHY that’s a pretty good amount of potential for WR 1-4. Bringing back Watson and either Hardman or Juju would give us all we need at WR in 2023.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, we have two other TE's that are developing nicely as weapons. No, they're not Kelce, but literally nobody that's ever played the position is.

If we had OT's that could ****ing block, this offense would look even better.

We should NOT spend a #1 or a ton of money for a WR in free agency. Lots of elite WR's come from other rounds in the draft. We should take one every year SOMEWHERE, but not at the exclusion of the gaping holes we have at OT and D-line.

What do our WRs look like when kelce isn’t drawing doubles and triples? Or when he isn’t there to be an automatic catch. If we lose kelce I think we figure out our WR room limitations very very fast. Again, I think we’re mostly there. But every WR needs to bump down one spot. Hell, what did Tennessee do? They limited kelce. And our offense looked completely stuck. Because our WRs right now feel like system guys.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What do our WRs look like when kelce isn’t drawing doubles and triples? Or when he isn’t there to be an automatic catch. If we lose kelce I think we figure out our WR room limitations very very fast. Again, I think we’re mostly there. But every WR needs to bump down one spot. Hell, what did Tennessee do? They limited kelce. And our offense looked completely stuck. Because our WRs right now feel like system guys.

an almost entirely new WR corps, man. In a notoriously complex offense requiring post snap reads and route adjustments from the WR's in real time, on the fly.

I don't think they're 'system guys' so much as they have differing skillsets. You have a couple with incredible long speed in Hardman, MVS.. You have one that's very physical in Juju. You have a couple with elite quickness, with Hardman again, Moore, and Toney. There is some youth there with Moore and Toney, so there's some projection but we're not drafting top 5-we won't get the Jamarr Chase's.

Our problems offensively stem from 1)poor OT play, 2)Mahomes still sometimes will not take the easy outlet pass and 3)a lot of new parts.

Despite all of that, this is a top NFL offense. And Kelce won't just fall off the cliff, barring catastrophic injury. He may slow down, but he's got a long way to go before he's JAG.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

an almost entirely new WR corps, man. In a notoriously complex offense requiring post snap reads and route adjustments from the WR's in real time, on the fly.

I don't think they're 'system guys' so much as they have differing skillsets. You have a couple with incredible long speed in Hardman, MVS.. You have one that's very physical in Juju. You have a couple with elite quickness, with Hardman again, Moore, and Toney. There is some youth there with Moore and Toney, so there's some projection but we're not drafting top 5-we won't get the Jamarr Chase's.

Our problems offensively stem from 1)poor OT play, 2)Mahomes still sometimes will not take the easy outlet pass and 3)a lot of new parts.

Despite all of that, this is a top NFL offense. And Kelce won't just fall off the cliff, barring catastrophic injury. He may slow down, but he's got a long way to go before he's JAG.

Like I said, I think we’ve got great WRs. But the all need to get bumped one position down. Juju is a great possession guy… for a WR that can open it up underneath. MVS is an over the top guy. Skyy is intriguing but likely not a WR1. Hardman and Toney are terrific… within a specific lane. All these guys get significantly better if we have a WR1 who can consistently beat stud CBs like tredavious white.

Most of our offense is run around efficiency so I don’t get the idea that mahomes needs to somehow be way more efficient. You know how burrow gets rid of the ball quickly? Chase quickly beats his man and then throws the ball anywhere remotely near his catch radius. Of course we gotta get better protection and mahomes needs to continue to progress as a pocket qb. We’re doing that. The idea that we need to put all our eggs in that basket for a qb this talented is a waste. We can run an efficient offense and have explosive playmakers at the same time.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said, I think we’ve got great WRs. But the all need to get bumped one position down. Juju is a great possession guy… for a WR that can open it up underneath. MVS is an over the top guy. Skyy is intriguing but likely not a WR1. Hardman and Toney are terrific… within a specific lane. All these guys get significantly better if we have a WR1 who can consistently beat stud CBs like tredavious white.

Most of our offense is run around efficiency so I don’t get the idea that mahomes needs to somehow be way more efficient. You know how burrow gets rid of the ball quickly? Chase quickly beats his man and then throws the ball anywhere remotely near his catch radius. Of course we gotta get better protection and mahomes needs to continue to progress as a pocket qb. We’re doing that. The idea that we need to put all our eggs in that basket for a qb this talented is a waste. We can run an efficient offense and have explosive playmakers at the same time.

Chase was the #5 overall pick. Where are we getting that?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Chase was the #5 overall pick. Where are we getting that?

We’re obviously not getting a chase. But there are guys like DJ Moore or Corey Davis. Or hell, plenty of draft talent. I love our WRs but I don’t think we have a true wr1. Do we have guys you’re comfortable playing man against sauce Gardner or tredavius white? Or hell, now we’re going to have Taylor Britt and eventually awuzie for the bengals. There are defenses out there who are trying to beat our WRs up and prove we can consistently beat man even against the top DBs. Based on what we saw in Tennessee, cincy and buffalo, do we feel this WR corps is up for that task? We know our OL isn’t, but I think mahomes has covered up some of the shortcomings of these WRs. Those games were not as comfortable as we remember and it’s not just because of pass pro.