Mecole Hardman

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

They offered him $22m per year. They didn’t decline to pay him. Just because they aren’t looking for a top 5 WR doesn’t mean they won’t pay for a WR1. And I like juju but he ain’t that.

They went with the WR By committee approach and it's been a success. They'll continue to do that with the next market inefficiency, whoever that may be.

If they want a #1 guy, get him in the draft.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They went with the WR By committee approach and it's been a success. They'll continue to do that with the next market inefficiency, whoever that may be.

If they want a #1 guy, get him in the draft.

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

You're kind of all over the place here.

Mahomes making a 'WR by committee' work to the tune of #1 scoring offense in football is ABSOLUTELY a long term strategy, and one you had better get used to. The only way this changes is if we draft and develop a star WR, which may well happen. We will NOT be going out and paying a FA WR twenty million plus. There's no reason to.

It would be nice, a LUXURY even; but we saw that defenses could simply make Tyreek Hill a possession receiver (11 ypc last year.) We're more explosive WITHOUT Hill. It's crazy, but it's true.

We've got holes-weak spots. OT is a problem. DE is a weak spot. We need more beef in the trenches. We can't keep our guys, plus shore up the weak spots, plus pay for a #1 WR (which we've shown we can thrive without.)

So nah. Shore up the holes, keep the guys we want to keep, let the rest walk, sign some cheaper FA's looking to up their profile, draft a WR every year and let's roll.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You're kind of all over the place here.

Mahomes making a 'WR by committee' work to the tune of #1 scoring offense in football is ABSOLUTELY a long term strategy, and one you had better get used to. The only way this changes is if we draft and develop a star WR, which may well happen. We will NOT be going out and paying a FA WR twenty million plus. There's no reason to.

It would be nice, a LUXURY even; but we saw that defenses could simply make Tyreek Hill a possession receiver (11 ypc last year.) We're more explosive WITHOUT Hill. It's crazy, but it's true.

We've got holes-weak spots. OT is a problem. DE is a weak spot. We need more beef in the trenches. We can't keep our guys, plus shore up the weak spots, plus pay for a #1 WR (which we've shown we can thrive without.)

So nah. Shore up the holes, keep the guys we want to keep, let the rest walk, sign some cheaper FA's looking to up their profile, draft a WR every year and let's roll.

we have the best qb in football and we want to make this team balanced and efficient? We are succeeding the second half of the season because we are leaning very very heavily on the run and screen game. And even still we’ve had several stretches where we flat out can’t move the ball. We rely on long drives which increases the likelihood that our mistake prone WRs will kill a drive. Defenses are trying their damnedest to take the ball out of mahomes hands. Good defenses are beating the shit out of kelce knowing refs won’t call it. Defenses are playing way more man than mahomes has ever seen because they have no fear whatsoever of our WRs.

Even if our offense is outstanding I know I’m not alone that we’ve seen plenty of it’s limitations. Hell, Toney isn’t a rock star and we’ve seen the complete 180 when he’s on the field. We saw it with skyy moore last week and against Tennessee. We saw it with Toney against LAC. We can’t just keep relying on these bolts of lightning in a bottle though.

Yes the strategy works. Frankly we are better for it since losing tyreek. But there is no reason we can maintain efficiency while having a true WR1 who can bail out mahomes at least once in a while. Give him a guy who can go up for the ball. Who doesn’t need mahomes to do pocket gymnastics because our WRs can’t beat man coverage. We don’t have to have a Justin Jefferson. And before you say we can’t afford it, we could pay up to $30m to have two guys (juju + Mvs) who do the job of 1 DK metcalf. Why do we have several one dimensional guys who disappear in long stretches when most other teams have one guy who does both jobs?

we have Patrick mahomes. The offense should run through him. Not through Pacheco and McKinnon and Noah gray. When defenses leave us no choice but to do that we are playing right into their own hands.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

Once he signed the contract and is making the money he is, that die was cast. Sorry, but you can't pay for everything.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by O.city

Once he signed the contract and is making the money he is, that die was cast. Sorry, but you can't pay for everything.

If you aren't paying OBJ and Frank Clark anymore you DO have the money to buy a #1 WR.

Eventually Kelce will decline. It WILL happen. We take Kelce for granted. Once that occurs which may start to happen next year...you WILL need a #1 WR. Pay the money or trade up and get one.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BWillie

If you aren't paying OBJ and Frank Clark anymore you DO have the money to buy a #1 WR.

Eventually Kelce will decline. It WILL happen. We take Kelce for granted. Once that occurs which may start to happen next year...you WILL need a #1 WR. Pay the money or trade up and get one.

Ok, take Clark and OBJ away.

Now you have to get a LT and a weakside DE. Those guys are usually cheap to find.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, take Clark and OBJ away.

Now you have to get a LT and a weakside DE. Those guys are usually cheap to find.

OBJ sucks at pass pro. You can draft or sign a shitty LT to suck almost as bad as OBJ does and save a ton of money. We can get a Melvin Ingram or Dunlap or Suggs type to fill a void. Those type guys dont cost very much. WR #1 is a must.

Id try to pay a #1 WR for certainty , draft a LT and trade up for an edge.