Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday.

[Direckshun]

This interview had a lot of nuggets in it. Some small, some medium sized, maybe one huge.

• "snowglobe" was put together roughly a year ago, and can neither confirm or deny it was a dunk on the Raiders circling the stadium a couple years back
• like the Ferrari plays, "snowglobe" was almost certainly a Mahomes concept before Reid/Bienemy refined it
• Frank Clark is perfectly fine
• the Chiefs want to re-sign JuJu Smith-Schuster
• Brett Veach has been a Justin Watson fan for several years, seems likely he'll re-sign him
• the Chiefs will draft a WR this year at some point
• the Chiefs could very well make an offer to Willie Gay this offseason, but Gay may choose to play out the remainder of his contract anyway
• highly indicated the Chiefs will probably make an offer to L'Jarius Sneed
• probably the biggest news: the Chiefs are going to shop Clyde Edwards-Helaire all offseason and preseason

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.

I think you’re being a little unfairly tough on the guy. I think the jury’s still out on the guy. But he’s doing his job here patiently waiting for blocks. On the other run and most of his other short catch and runs he shows he has really good wiggle in short spaces. He’s a pretty solid runner after the catch even if he’s not a mecole accelerate and run guy. He is a way better run after the catch guy than juju.

If he can become a decent intermediate threat he has a nice role in the offense. We need a guy who can catch and run because we will go hitch heavy at times. He’s got big paws which would be great to see him learn how to consistently break man coverage. And if he can play the game smarter he could be plenty dangerous in soft spots in the intermediate game. A lot of pieces have to fall into place but he would be a multi dimensional WR in an offense that lacks that. Now, I think Toney is doing all those things but better, but who knows if we can rely on him to stay healthy and if we keep him past next year. I don’t think it’s the worst thing for those 2 to co-exist.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What? Literally no one said that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think you’re being a little unfairly tough on the guy. I think the jury’s still out on the guy. But he’s doing his job here patiently waiting for blocks. On the other run and most of his other short catch and runs he shows he has really good wiggle in short spaces. He’s a pretty solid runner after the catch even if he’s not a mecole accelerate and run guy. He is a way better run after the catch guy than juju.

Lemme tell you how much I love seeing mediocre production written off as "he's doing his job..."

He gonna start setting edges next?

He's not 'waiting for his blocks to develop' - he's five yards behind his blocks as they develop. That's not 'waiting' as much as it's getting left behind. And he didn't get caught by a DL because he was waiting - he wasn't at his blocker's hips. He got caught from behind because he lacked the burst to carry the edge.

Meanwhile with Hardman's raw speed, he's right at that seam that splits open at the 15 yard line and cutting through it as it opens.

But because he doesn't have any special physical talents he 'does his job' or 'gets what is blocked' or 'manages the game' or whatever other code we use for guys who aren't actually playmakers.

That play was sufficiently blocked for 6 if it's Hardman running it. Maybe for Toney, though Toney's instincts to use wiggle may have actually had him bouncing that and getting squeezed out of bounds.

But 'taking what's blocked' is fungible. It's...fine.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

He ain't taking MVS's snaps.

He ain't taking Toney's snaps.

He aint taking JuJu's snaps.

Assuming the Chiefs retain Watson, which seems likely, it'd be doubtful he takes Watson's snaps.

In the words of Pecheco, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job if he wants targets. You think that grown man is Watson. I don't think that's correct.

And lets not forget there's likely to be some combo of journey men, ala Watson and/or Rookies that he'll need to outplay as well.

I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t take a lot of Watson’s snaps next year. If Watson is even back.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t take a lot of Watson’s snaps next year. If Watson is even back.

Watson will be back. He's cheap, he's big, and fast, and he now knows the offense. The dropsies are a problem, but there's a lot else to like.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Lemme tell you how much I love seeing mediocre production written off as "he's doing his job..."

He gonna start setting edges next?

He's not 'waiting for his blocks to develop' - he's five yards behind his blocks as they develop. That's not 'waiting' as much as it's getting left behind. And he didn't get caught by a DL because he was waiting - he wasn't at his blocker's hips. He got caught from behind because he lacked the burst to carry the edge.

Meanwhile with Hardman's raw speed, he's right at that seam that splits open at the 15 yard line and cutting through it as it opens.

But because he doesn't have any special physical talents he 'does his job' or 'gets what is blocked' or 'manages the game' or whatever other code we use for guys who aren't actually playmakers.

That play was sufficiently blocked for 6 if it's Hardman running it. Maybe for Toney, though Toney's instincts to use wiggle may have actually had him bouncing that and getting squeezed out of bounds.

But 'taking what's blocked' is fungible. It's...fine.

I’m not saying he’s doing some priest Holmes work but you’re acting like it’s a knock on his speed for getting caught by a DE when it’s clear he’s just setting up his blocks. I don’t see that as 6 for hardman but even if it was they aren’t the same back. Moore doesn’t have the acceleration and raw speed as hardman, but neither Mvs or hardman has the same kind of wiggle either. Sure hardman is a better option for jet sweeps because of his raw speed but I see Toney and Moore being shiftier in a very small amount of space. The second clip shows some of that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Basically mecole is his own kind of weapon. He’s perfect for jet sweeps because if you give him a little space he can burst like no other. But I don’t know that he’s ideal for those quick hitches where you catch and the defender is immediately on you. Like the catch and run Toney made on snow globe. And we need a lot of that right now if defenses are going to take away deep stuff while playing a lot of man.

[penguinz]

Am I missing something? People keep saying Moore will take Watsons snaps. I don't see it. Maybe I am not paying attention enough but attention but from what I can remember over the season they don't even run the same route trees.

Moore has been shorter quick hit routes where Watson runs longer deeper routes for the most part.

Maybe I need to drink more during games.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Am I missing something? People keep saying Moore will take Watsons snaps. I don't see it. Maybe I am not paying attention enough but attention but from what I can remember over the season they don't even run the same route trees.

Moore has been shorter quick hit routes where Watson runs longer deeper routes for the most part.

Maybe I need to drink more during games.

Moore has ran his routes very badly several times. Enough to cause a gesture from Mahomes. I dont think he made the trusted list this year. Hope he makes it next year. We will need him.

[RunKC]

Not to switch from the Moore discussion, but I did hear Nate Taylor talk about the Chiefs wanting to keep Gay. Made it seem like Veach will be offering him a deal this Spring.

Any idea what that would look like?

The 10th highest paid LB is Zach Cunningham who makes $11 million avg. I wonder if that’s the starting point

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to switch from the Moore discussion, but I did hear Nate Taylor talk about the Chiefs wanting to keep Gay. Made it seem like Veach will be offering him a deal this Spring.

Any idea what that would look like?

The 10th highest paid LB is Zach Cunningham who makes $11 million avg. I wonder if that’s the starting point

I'd actually prioritize Gay over Bolton if I had to choose. I love me some Bolton, but Gay has more physical ability.

My issue with Gay at this point is that they bring him off the field too much.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by notorious

I can shop a used roll of toilet paper. Doesn't mean anyone is going to buy.

I'd call Generalissimo Paton stat. Put the right CEH highlight film package together and you could probably pry that end-of-the 1st round pick they got for Chubb for him. Why not try? If he signed off on the deal for Mr. Unlimited, we could likely squeeze him for 1 of their 2 3rd round picks as well as the 1st.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not to switch from the Moore discussion, but I did hear Nate Taylor talk about the Chiefs wanting to keep Gay. Made it seem like Veach will be offering him a deal this Spring.

Any idea what that would look like?

The 10th highest paid LB is Zach Cunningham who makes $11 million avg. I wonder if that’s the starting point

Gay shows flashes and has elite potential, so why the hell are they taking him off the field at times for Darius Harris? Gay is the one linebacker on the team who has the potential to be a top 5-10 type who excels in all areas, but he hasn’t quite fully put it all together. Maybe KC takes the chance to capitalize and sign an extension before his price goes up.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd actually prioritize Gay over Bolton if I had to choose. I love me some Bolton, but Gay has more physical ability.

My issue with Gay at this point is that they bring him off the field too much.

Woof. Gotta strongly disagree with you on this one.

I think they're grooming Chenal for Willie's spot should Willie try to play hardball.

You don't get rid of guys like Bolton.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd actually prioritize Gay over Bolton if I had to choose. I love me some Bolton, but Gay has more physical ability.

My issue with Gay at this point is that they bring him off the field too much.

I'm not sure Gay can lead that LB unit. And if you prioritize Gay over Bolton, that's what you'll be asking him to do long-term.

Bolton has the savvy and intelligence - and the cache - to be the boss of the LB corps. Gay may not be able to be that guy. Frankly I'm not convinced he'd WANT to be that guy. I think Gay, given his druthers, would like to be told where to lineup and then go play with his hair on fire.

You need a more measured and cerebral leader of that unit, especially if he's flanked by two slobbering dogs like Gay and Chenal.

Otherwise you'll end up with Quay Walker out there shoving trainers and shit. Somebody's gotta set a tone of sanity and responsibility in the linebacker group and I think that guy is Bolton.