Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday.

[Direckshun]

This interview had a lot of nuggets in it. Some small, some medium sized, maybe one huge.

• "snowglobe" was put together roughly a year ago, and can neither confirm or deny it was a dunk on the Raiders circling the stadium a couple years back
• like the Ferrari plays, "snowglobe" was almost certainly a Mahomes concept before Reid/Bienemy refined it
• Frank Clark is perfectly fine
• the Chiefs want to re-sign JuJu Smith-Schuster
• Brett Veach has been a Justin Watson fan for several years, seems likely he'll re-sign him
• the Chiefs will draft a WR this year at some point
• the Chiefs could very well make an offer to Willie Gay this offseason, but Gay may choose to play out the remainder of his contract anyway
• highly indicated the Chiefs will probably make an offer to L'Jarius Sneed
• probably the biggest news: the Chiefs are going to shop Clyde Edwards-Helaire all offseason and preseason

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Why do you need to cut so deep?

It's not like a pointed out that Rudy is a degenerate shitheel or anything...

(Met that guy on a visit to South Bend once. He's...not great)

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If that's the case, then why wouldn't you put him in JJSS' position and let him work short/intermediate zones? That's EXACTLY where'd you use a skill set like that. Hence why taking over JJSS' role makes perfect sense.

Because even they aren't buying what they're selling at this point...

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is effectively a demonstration that Moore is still taking basic ed. classes in Reid's offense.

1. Hardman is way better at that shit than Moore.
2. You've failed to demonstrate the other, and more important part of Hardman and Watson's game: the vertical speed element
3. It's more likely that Toney ends up vulturing those snaps than Moore anyway, because, again, better at it.

I was told Skyy's game is his "elite" short area quickness, savvy route running skills and giant hands.

If that's the case, then why wouldn't you put him in JJSS' position and let him work short/intermediate zones? That's EXACTLY where'd you use a skill set like that. Hence why taking over JJSS' role makes perfect sense.

And frankly, Moore lovers should be embracing this idea, since that would at least give a qualifying reason as to why Moore hasn't seen more snaps.

Because talking about a players potential and dealing with hypotheticals is less scary than dealing with the realities if he doesn't meet that hypothetical. If JJSS is still here, people can keep hyping Skyy till infinity, no matter what he does or doesn't do and just excuse lack of production by saying "he just hasnt gotten a chance yet". That goes away if JJSS is let go and people will have to deal with the potential that Skyy could sink instead of swimming.

[DJ's left nut]

I think JJSS is so scheme dependent that I think if the Skyy hype is even 80% legit he'd be capable of 1,000 yards here.

It makes all the damn sense in the world IF he's the physical technician with elite hands he's being sold as.

I'm willing to gamble because I just don't think the bar is that high.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think JJSS is so scheme dependent that I think if the Skyy hype is even 80% legit he'd be capable of 1,000 yards here.

It makes all the damn sense in the world IF he's the physical technician with elite hands he's being sold as.

Agreed. If he's really the guy he was sold as, no reason to think he wouldn't excel in JuJu's role. And with fresher legs and more explosion, should be able to create more YAC than JuJu does.

[Megatron96]

The obvious weakness/short-coming to Skyy's skills is the inability to decipher zone. JJSS is a vet WR and understands how to sit down or otherwise beat zone concepts. Skyy just hasn't shown a real understanding of where the soft spots are, yet. I still think he will, it's just taking longer than I anticipated. That, and he's apparently coming from a lower experience level in that regard than I thought.

I don't know if he has 'elite' hands, but he's a pretty good catcher of the football, and he snatches the ball out of the air. As for his athleticism, well, just look at those clips above; at least half or more of his yards are coming in the form of YAC; he can make people miss, break tackles and move the chains.

Does any of that equate to elite? mmmm, probably not. is he probably a better athlete than Edelman was? in some respects probably. And Edelman carved out a near HOF career for himself without a lot of elite skills. A great football IQ and good hands was really the extent of it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.

He’s an Andy Reid type of receiver. He is a Jack of all trades. He can do some of what Juju, Watson and Hardman do. You can debate the effectiveness to which he does it, but he is running those plays.

The league has changed guys. Fangio cover 2 is now the standard basic defense in the modern NFL. They aren’t letting you throw deep and are begging you to take advantage of other areas of the field.

If you’re Andy Reid and see that, why would you not want a healthy mix of Juju types and Hardman speed guys?

I don’t think Juju and Skyy on the same team means Skyy doesn’t get increased opportunities next season.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t think Juju and Skyy on the same team means Skyy doesn’t get increased opportunities next season.

He ain't taking MVS's snaps.

He ain't taking Toney's snaps.

He aint taking JuJu's snaps.

Assuming the Chiefs retain Watson, which seems likely, it'd be doubtful he takes Watson's snaps.

In the words of Pecheco, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job if he wants targets. You think that grown man is Watson. I don't think that's correct.

And lets not forget there's likely to be some combo of journey men, ala Watson and/or Rookies that he'll need to outplay as well.

[big nasty kcnut]

So any news about naing?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

He ain't taking MVS's snaps.

He ain't taking Toney's snaps.

He aint taking JuJu's snaps.

Assuming the Chiefs retain Watson, which seems likely, it'd be doubtful he takes Watson's snaps.

In the words of Pecheco, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job if he wants targets. You think that grown man is Watson. I don't think that's correct.

And lets not forget there's likely to be some combo of journey men, ala Watson and/or Rookies that he'll need to outplay as well.

Well, not the deep stuff, obviously, in regards to MVS' snaps.

But some of those intermediate stuff, like the 7-12 yard 7s/ins/outs, comebacks, or the shallower overs? I don't actually see why not. MVS has had plenty of trouble running those, and those aren't really in his wheelhouse anyway. Toney's been the best WR running those kinds of routes, definitely better than MVS with the overs, and the 7-type routes are actually right in Skyy's wheelhouse, I think. The shallow (10 yard?) overs could be. The comebacks should be something Skyy could do; he had at least one earlier this season where he was wide open, but he wasn't aggressive enough on the comeback and that allowed the defender to make a play. But that's something that should be a pretty easy fix for him.

And there might be a few snaps he could take from JJ.

it's kind of tough to say; I think there's some fundamental gaps in Skyy's game I didn't see before. Take jet sweeps; he ran a couple recently, but his initial reaction was to try and widen and try to get to the corner, when he should've basically said, "eff it," and dive upfield for whatever he could get. Can that be fixed? I think it should be relatively easy, but he might just be wired that way.

He also did something similar on one of his returns; tried to get wide, instead of just going north. That should be fixable (not talking about the return game, settle down), but some guys just don't ever flip that switch.

obviously time will tell, and I still have high hopes for him. Just needs to come a little further than i thought.


Of course, there's a chance that MVS gets better at some of those as well. But right this second, he isn't that great at them.

[BossChief]

So now the Skyy haters are trying to make the narrative that if JuJu is re-signed it’s a knock on Skyy? Jesus. Their vendetta against him is impressive.

Juju was in the slot for 315 snaps as opposed to 451 out wide.
Mecole lined up in the slot 149 times and 146 out wide.
Skyy lined up in the slot 152 snaps and 155 out wide.

I think Skyy takes the majority of those slot snaps from JuJu as well as the majority of Hardmans snaps as well as maintaining his snaps he had last year.

In total, I see Skyy playing roughly 700-800 snaps next year (assuming he stays healthy all year) with 500+ snaps coming from the slot. I expect him to gain 7-800 total yards and 4-6tds.

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by -King-

Id take the cap room.

You aren't getting cap room though. He'd get replaced by someone who costs more than $1 mil. Now that guy may be better. But also maybe not.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by -King-

What do we get from him that we can't get from a Ronald Jones type as a #3 RB? Jones is getting paid about half of what CEH is too.

Not trying to defend MEH, but he’s a well rounded back that can block and catch where Jones can only run.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

He ain't taking MVS's snaps.

He ain't taking Toney's snaps.

He aint taking JuJu's snaps.

Assuming the Chiefs retain Watson, which seems likely, it'd be doubtful he takes Watson's snaps.

In the words of Pecheco, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job if he wants targets. You think that grown man is Watson. I don't think that's correct.

And let’s not forget there's likely to be some combo of journey men, ala Watson and/or Rookies that he'll need to outplay as well.

It’s logical to assume that JuJu eats Mexoles wide snaps while Skyy eats more than half of Jujus slot snaps.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So now the Skyy haters are trying to make the narrative that if JuJu is re-signed it’s a knock on Skyy? Jesus. Their vendetta against him is impressive.

What? Literally no one said that.

Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Skyy takes the majority of those slot snaps from JuJu as well as the majority of Hardmans snaps as well as maintaining his snaps he had last year.

In total, I see Skyy playing roughly 700-800 snaps next year (assuming he stays healthy all year) with 500+ snaps coming from the slot. I expect him to gain 7-800 total yards and 4-6tds.

Didn't you have him pegged as taking that many snaps THIS year? I remember you being pretty high on him and all of your predictions falling flat.

Now you wanna argue that the Chiefs are going to resign JuJu (pay him MORE money) just so to surrender those snaps to Skyy? Ooohwee buddy, that's a doozie.

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[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BossChief

It’s logical to assume that JuJu eats Mexoles wide snaps while Skyy eats more than half of Jujus slot snaps.

No. No it's not. Not at all logical.