Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So you acknowledge that we basically treated WR like an afterthought for 5 years.

You’re not going to hit a top 10 pick with every WR. So you gotta take a lot of swings. In the process you might find a WR2 or WR3 or WR4 and they’re all positions that actually contribute. Especially since we acknowledge that it’s harder and takes longer for Reid WRs to develop.

Not only were we content with surrounding tyreek with shit for WR. We had ZERO options in an entire 5-wr room we developed in house when tyreek left. And as you acknowledge we barely even tried.

What we did in 2022 wasn’t a commitment to WR. It was catch up and a little bit of panic because we ignored the position for years.

But they did try. They found WR3 WR4 etc.

Pringle put up yards 600 and 5 TD's. Hardman had yards and TD's. Robinson had yards and TD's.

None of them were WR1, because well....duh....they had Tyreek and Kelce for that.

So, they did what you wanted....I'm not sure what your upset about here. Is it just coming down to not having a #1 WR? They just went a year without 1 after they trade him for a bunch of picks when he demanded the money he did, they immediately traded for a first rounder who they are telling us they view as the #1 guy now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Evidence just says youre wrong here man.

The Chiefs 2 SB' years came down to the defense getting stops.

The 3 other years were the defense not getting stops and the offense not being able to score 40.

I'm as much for putting as many weapons around the guy as you can, but reasonably, once he signed his deal, this is what comes with it. It is what it is.

Our OL lost us the Tampa Super Bowl. Of course somewhat unfair given the injuries.

We had one of the worst second half offensive performances in the teams history vs cincy.

Without a doubt both were lost on offense. In both those games the defense performed reasonable vs standard whereas a dominant offense was simply bad.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Our OL lost us the Tampa Super Bowl. Of course somewhat unfair given the injuries.

We had one of the worst second half offensive performances in the teams history vs cincy.

Without a doubt both were lost on offense. In both those games the defense performed reasonable vs standard whereas a dominant offense was simply bad.

The Bucs scored on damn near every possession in the SB. It wasn't just the OL that cost us that game.

The cinci game....the one we had Hill and Kelce and company and our QB vapor locked?

I'm curious how more weapons change that

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think the formula is pretty damn simple and last year proved it.

-1st rd and highest paid FA’s need to be relegated to tackles, pass rushers or corners. Should only deviate from that if a damn good weapon is available.
-a myriad of solid weapons is better than 2 great ones and a pile of shit
-keep reloading the OL at all costs. When Thuney is towards the end, use a 2nd rd pick on a quality G to replace him. Constantly be taking a developmental OL on day 3. Keep looking for the value. Getting a Wanya Morris in rd 3 is a good thing, not a waste.

Lot of people hated the Packers for using this philosophy but honestly it worked out well for them. Not using a 1st on weapons wasn’t the end of the world when your 2nd rd picks were Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb and Greg Jennings.

The Packers didn’t “waste Rodgers”. They set him up nicely many times. 4 championship game appearances in 11 seasons after that SB isn’t bad.

At some point you gotta blame the QB for not winning. The Seahawks gaffe and blowing 2 straight home playoff championship games as well as doing nothing at home against the 49ers in the playoffs.

Yeah. Lot of that was on Aaron

Going into last year it was obvious we needed a more athletic secondary a edge and wr. Veech took all 3 with his first 3 picks. This year heading in it was also obvious we needed and edge and OT. No real OT was available in the 1st 2 settles for one in the third. Which also means he may not be ready to start. So we sign one in FA's on a great contract.

They are doing the best to fill the needs with low cost draft picks. Guys who will be expected to play significant. But the above I think is going to be changed due to the big money WR. are commanding. Your not going to be able to get much for 5-10 million in FA's. The top Wr are commanding LT money and beyond.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

But they did try. They found WR3 WR4 etc.

Pringle put up yards 600 and 5 TD's. Hardman had yards and TD's. Robinson had yards and TD's.

None of them were WR1, because well....duh....they had Tyreek and Kelce for that.

So, they did what you wanted....I'm not sure what your upset about here. Is it just coming down to not having a #1 WR? They just went a year without 1 after they trade him for a bunch of picks when he demanded the money he did, they immediately traded for a first rounder who they are telling us they view as the #1 guy now.

What? Pringle was undrafted. Robinson was a 4th rounder. These guys can’t even get 1 year contracts anywhere. Teams don’t even want them as their WR5. We didn’t even want them at bare minimum $s. You’re overhyping JAGs because mahomes elevated their play. I can’t imagine a few bunts for bad WRs proves any point that we even tried to address 5 WR spots. Especially when we decided in 2021 that these guys were legit going to be our WR2 options.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What? Pringle was undrafted. Robinson was a 4th rounder. These guys can’t even get 1 year contracts anywhere. Teams don’t even want them as their WR5. We didn’t even want them at bare minimum $s. You’re overhyping JAGs because mahomes elevated their play. I can’t imagine a few bunts for bad WRs proves any point that we even tried to address 5 WR spots. Especially when we decided in 2021 that these guys were legit going to be our WR2 options.

Pringle signed a 1 year deal with the Bears.

Robinson with the Raiders, then went on to have a decent year with the Ravens.

So try again?

Hardman, the 2nd round pick, was WR2 in 21, or actually, more like 3 with Kelce and Hill at 1 and 2.

So again, as WR3 and WR4 they put up 1000 yards and 8 TDs (Pringle and Robinson).

What's the issue here?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Pringle signed a 1 year deal with the Bears.

Robinson with the Raiders, then went on to have a decent year with the Ravens.

So try again?

Hardman, the 2nd round pick, was WR2 in 21, or actually, more like 3 with Kelce and Hill at 1 and 2.

So again, as WR3 and WR4 they put up 1000 yards and 8 TDs (Pringle and Robinson).

What's the issue here?

I can’t believe we’re trying to use the argument that Robinson and Pringle, two guys we wouldn’t even sign for cheap, are justifications that we put any effort to building a WR room. It continues to prove the point that mahomes’ greatness hides a lot of warts. We had enough info on hardman to know we had to bring in competition. We kicked the can down the road on this position. Period.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Bucs scored on damn near every possession in the SB. It wasn't just the OL that cost us that game.

The cinci game....the one we had Hill and Kelce and company and our QB vapor locked?

I'm curious how more weapons change that

The defense early in the Tampa game were what you expect a reasonable defense to do. The bengals game as a whole was a reasonably good performance on defense.

We expect some give and take with the defense. You don’t expect bad performance from the offense let alone the worst halves ever in the Reid era. I’m not saying there’s a magic fix. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to think offense would have been better with just a little extra help.

Because I expect defensive swings. A lot can feel outside of our control when burrow or Allen are feeling it. We don’t expect offensive swings. In those games we asked our defense to carry our offense entirely. At least with our offense we know we’re capable of largely limiting these kinds of bad performances.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Bucs scored on damn near every possession in the SB.

The defense played lights out in the first quarter of that game. That game was ripe for a Chiefs blowout if the offense had been it's normal self.

I've rewatched large chunks of that game multiple times, and I've every time, I'm like damn, damn, damn. We had them early, if only our receivers had caught the ball.

If the Chiefs had not been forced to pass constantly after halftime it would have been a very different game. Being down multiple scores made the OL even worse.

I only put maybe 20% of the blame on the defense in that game. The offense put them in an unwinnable situation.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I can’t believe we’re trying to use the argument that Robinson and Pringle, two guys we wouldn’t even sign for cheap, are justifications that we put any effort to building a WR room. It continues to prove the point that mahomes’ greatness hides a lot of warts. We had enough info on hardman to know we had to bring in competition. We kicked the can down the road on this position. Period.

Because that's what the majority of "taking swings" at mid round Wr's are gonna be.

Unless you're advocating we spend higher picks on weapons, which they've now done.

It's coming off alot of bitching to bitch here.

[O.city]

We want our 3rd and 4th WR to be high level WRs. Ok, sure. That's not gonna happen....it never happens anywhere, but we need to be stocked to the tits with weapons?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

We want our 3rd and 4th WR to be high level WRs. Ok, sure. That's not gonna happen....it never happens anywhere, but we need to be stocked to the tits with weapons?

Who said that? We need WR3s who can be WR3s. Nobody wants the guys we cut even as their WR5s. These guys can’t sign anywhere. Even mecole got a puny contract.

And at WR you take those swings in the hope they have potential to be WR2s and WR1s. Of course you won’t hit every time. But that’s why you try and you try often. It’s one of those positions where you can build depth while getting quality contributors at the same time. We just last year started the process we should have started (less desperately) 5 years ago.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who said that? We need WR3s who can be WR3s. Nobody wants the guys we cut even as their WR5s. These guys can’t sign anywhere. Even mecole got a puny contract.

And at WR you take those swings in the hope they have potential to be WR2s and WR1s. Of course you won’t hit every time. But that’s why you try and you try often. It’s one of those positions where you can build depth while getting quality contributors at the same time. We just last year started the process we should have started (less desperately) 5 years ago.

They did sign elsewhere.... again.....you're just wrong here. They signed for what #3 and #4 WR's sign for.

So yeah, they did try, you just don't like the players they tried with. They had Tyreek, Mecole, Watkins and Chris Conley under contract. So they should have kept drafting 2nd round WR's.

Seems smart.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because that's what the majority of "taking swings" at mid round Wr's are gonna be.

Unless you're advocating we spend higher picks on weapons, which they've now done.

It's coming off alot of bitching to bitch here.

A 2nd and a 4th in 5 years and putting all your eggs in that basket isn’t taking swings. Arguably the only reason we even took mecole is because we were insuring against losing a WR1.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They did sign elsewhere.... again.....you're just wrong here. They signed for what #3 and #4 WR's sign for.

So yeah, they did try, you just don't like the players they tried with. They had Tyreek, Mecole, Watkins and Chris Conley under contract. So they should have kept drafting 2nd round WR's.

Seems smart.

They signed 1- year contracts. As of now neither Pringle or Demarcus has signed anywhere. Demarcus has been cut twice. It’s one thing to settle for these guys. But we put all our eggs into this basket. Until the dam burst.