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Old 08-25-2023, 09:05 AM  
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Why the Chiefs will pay a lot for Chris Jones
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:09 AM   #46
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If he indeed is the unicorn the article says he is, the next 3 years shouldn't be an issue.

I guess we will see if Veach and co agree or disagree though.

I get why you want to just give in and hand Jones a blank check. As a GM have to look at it as all players/agents are looking at you. You give Jones a few extra million what do you think all other agents are going to yell about? Snowball effect

Jones should be getting $24.5 million and not a penny more. Historically at the DT position the top players coming up for a new contract topped the market by $500k. Even Aarron Donald before his current contract that the Rams gave him.

Jones should get $24.5 million to become the highest paid DT minus AD. Veach even giving him $26 or $27 would and should be considered over paying. At $30+ million is just beyond anything rational.

The compromise would be the $24.5 Average with some incentive kickers on personal performance NOT team. Like 10 sacks he gets another million, 15 sacks he get another million.

OR just give him $30+ million for the hell of it and get ready for more hold outs from every player wanting a new contract because Veach shows he will cave.

Jones is asking for about 20% more than the highest paid DT not named AD atm.

ATM the highest paid QB is Justin Herbert at an average of $52.5 MILLION. Now lets say Mahomes, who has been a team friendly player decides he wants a new contract and be paid 20% more than the highest guy. While just like Jones we would all agree Mahomes is the best and deserves to be the highest paid.

$52.5M+20%=would be $63 Million.

That would 100% cripple the team to make a HUGE 20% jump in position value. Rams are crippled from doing this with AD and Veach should not pay Jones 20% more than the "real" highest paid DT.

$24.5 Million or bust VEACH!!!!!
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:11 AM   #47
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I get why you want to just give in and hand Jones a blank check. As a GM have to look at it as all players/agents are looking at you. You give Jones a few extra million what do you think all other agents are going to yell about? Snowball effect

Jones should be getting $24.5 million and not a penny more. Historically at the DT position the top players coming up for a new contract topped the market by $500k. Even Aarron Donald before his current contract that the Rams gave him.

Jones should get $24.5 million to become the highest paid DT minus AD. Veach even giving him $26 or $27 would and should be considered over paying. At $30+ million is just beyond anything rational.

The compromise would be the $24.5 Average with some incentive kickers on personal performance NOT team. Like 10 sacks he gets another million, 15 sacks he get another million.

OR just give him $30+ million for the hell of it and get ready for more hold outs from every player wanting a new contract because Veach shows he will cave.

Jones is asking for about 20% more than the highest paid DT not named AD atm.

ATM the highest paid QB is Justin Herbert at an average of $52.5 MILLION. Now lets say Mahomes, who has been a team friendly player decides he wants a new contract and be paid 20% more than the highest guy. While just like Jones we would all agree Mahomes is the best and deserves to be the highest paid.

$52.5M+20%=would be $63 Million.

That would 100% cripple the team to make a HUGE 20% jump in position value. Rams are crippled from doing this with AD and Veach should not pay Jones 20% more than the "real" highest paid DT.

$24.5 Million or bust VEACH!!!!!
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:13 AM   #48
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And we have Chris Jones. For 2023 and 2024 if we so choose.
This is probably the best option. If he shows up now then let him play this year and then tag and trade. If he doesn't show up until week 8 this year, then tag his ass again next year for $24.5 million which is a huge deal for us.

The guy has zero leverage
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:17 AM   #49
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Scary to compare him to Haynesworth
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If contracts were handed out for past performance rather than future projections, this article would make a lot of sense. The issue isn't a question of his performance last year (or even this year) - it's a question of the 3-4 years after that.
Paying $30 million to a 34 year old DT will be wasted money. We cant waste money.

If we were desperate, maybe. Sacrifice now, go for a SB. But that's not us. We will still be competing for a SB as long as we have Mahomes/Reid/Kelce.
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:40 AM   #51
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Link to Article: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/25/wh...le-chris-jones
That was grostwritten by CJ’s agent.
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They're not tagging him next year at 33.5 million dollars, so unless he just sits out and brings that number down, it's kind of not worth talking about.

I would venture to say they think of him more of a guy that's not your normal DE and ages differently, but we shall see.
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For a contract year which he knew he needed to do what he's doing now. You're looking too deep at one season instead of the body of work.

2019-9 sacks, 8 TFL, 29 QB hits
2020-7.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 28 QB hits
2021-9 sacks, 17 TFL, 8 QB hits
2022-15.5 sacks, 17 TFL, 29 QB hits

The data suggests that if he's not in a contract year he won't be what he was last year. Are the 3 years prior to last worth $30 million APY?
That shows a consistently great DT that occasionally has monster seasons. And at least we can look forward to his monster season in 2025-26 right?
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I think if they were gonna pay him it would have already happened...
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:06 AM   #55
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If contracts were handed out for past performance rather than future projections, this article would make a lot of sense. The issue isn't a question of his performance last year (or even this year) - it's a question of the 3-4 years after that.
Yup.

If you pay for past performance, you get future ****ed.
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LOL. Drafting well also means you have to eventually pay that talent. Bill was the master at knowing when to move on from a player.
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By this same logic, we should pay Kadarious Toney a giant contract because his punt return won us the superbowl.
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I think if they were gonna pay him it would have already happened...
I don't see how they could cave now. It would make them look weak, and it might encourage other players to attempt the same thing.

At least if Jones ends his holdout, he can save face by saying something like "I made my point, I'm under contract, I want to play, I want to win back to back Super Bowls, we'll take care of this next year," etc.

What would the Chiefs say? "We panicked."
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Some of you are forgetting in 2020 Jones said he would just not play when asked about this similar kind of situation and commented that LeVeon Bell had told him about this kind of situation. I am just not sold on the thought that he will do things differently than his friend LeVeon Bell.
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