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Old 08-25-2023, 09:05 AM  
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:43 AM   #31
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Veach seems to believe so but he's most likely set a line that he can't go beyond in order to pay others. There's paying a really good salary and then there's paying insane money.

Veach doesn't want to pay insane money nor should he
I would imagine that's the issue here.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:45 AM   #32
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Yeah, and he got better.
What. No he didn't. It took him 5 seasons to match the production of that 2018 season. 2 elite years sandwiching borderline elite years. Coincidentally it's right around the point where he's nearing the end of his current contract. Funny how that works out. And while you could justify paying him back then since he still had MANY prime years left, that's not the case anymore.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:48 AM   #33
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Our defense needs Chris Jones
And we have Chris Jones. For 2023 and 2024 if we so choose.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:49 AM   #35
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I would agree. I would go so far as to say that if Andy gets 2 more SB wins, he surpasses Bill as the GOAT. Bill's record without Brady is a joke. 7 losing seasons out of 10.
I dunno how Bill could have won a SB without Brady's massive 1 td/ 1 int postseason in 2001
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What. No he didn't. It took him 5 seasons to match the production of that 2018 season. 2 elite years sandwiching borderline elite years. Coincidentally it's right around the point where he's nearing the end of his current contract. Funny how that works out. And while you could justify paying him back then since he still had MANY prime years left, that's not the case anymore.
I don't think it's a coincidence that once they got more pass rushers around him he put up better numbers. Contract years are undefeated though.

Everyone is acting like he's had shit years and 2 great years.

Dude's been a top 2 or 3 player at his position for a while and then has the best year of his career.
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If I were the Chiefs, I almost just wouldn't budge. I hope they haven't budged for a couple weeks.

Not that we can't use Jones, but we can't incentivize players missing camp. And if he misses Week 1, we absolutely cannot incentivize players missing real games.
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Yeah, and he got better.
For a contract year which he knew he needed to do what he's doing now. You're looking too deep at one season instead of the body of work.

2019-9 sacks, 8 TFL, 29 QB hits
2020-7.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 28 QB hits
2021-9 sacks, 17 TFL, 8 QB hits
2022-15.5 sacks, 17 TFL, 29 QB hits

The data suggests that if he's not in a contract year he won't be what he was last year. Are the 3 years prior to last worth $30 million APY?
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I don't think it's a coincidence that once they got more pass rushers around him he put up better numbers. Contract years are undefeated though.

Everyone is acting like he's had shit years and 2 great years.

Dude's been a top 2 or 3 player at his position for a while and then has the best year of his career.
Literally said in my post 2 elite years sandwiching 4 very good years. Unfortunately for Chris Jones, given his age and demands, it makes far more sense for the Chiefs to just finish out his contract and apply the tag in 2024. His petulant attitude and what seems to have been a bit of bad faith negotiating won't help his cause, either.
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I dunno how Bill could have won a SB without Brady's massive 1 td/ 1 int postseason in 2001
The league was different then. Most forget that Brady went to the pro bowl that year in addition to winning SB MVP. He also led GWDs vs both the Raiders and Rams that postseason. In 2002 he led the league in TDs with 28. That is how different things were then.
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If I were the Chiefs, I almost just wouldn't budge. I hope they haven't budged for a couple weeks.

Not that we can't use Jones, but we can't incentivize players missing camp. And if he misses Week 1, we absolutely cannot incentivize players missing real games.

You definitely can’t budge now. Especially because the only thing that makes sense is that before the draft they were thinking he was much closer to them than the $30 million he apparently wants now.
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Bill was the master at having the greatest qb of all time

Once that ended we see what he’s the master of
Well, to be fair, that is pretty much the case with any great NFL coach. Rarely does a team win a title without top quality QB play. Of course, Brady made a huge difference. But Brady also always had the benefit of top tier defenses in winning those titles. BB wasn't just some schmuck. It was a mutually beneficial relationship.
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LOL. Drafting well also means you have to eventually pay that talent. Bill was the master at knowing when to move on from a player.
Bitch, please… we have all of our CBS on rookie contracts as well as over half of our receivers. Bill isn’t in the same stratosphere as Veach!
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