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Old 05-03-2024, 10:19 AM   #1
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Remember when all the UAW workers demanded big raises in their latest contracts? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when the labor cost of each vehicle is only 7%? Manufacturing professionals remember.
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Old 05-03-2024, 12:48 PM   #2
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Old 05-03-2024, 12:49 PM   #3
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Remember when the labor cost of each vehicle is only 7%? Manufacturing professionals remember.
Speaking on behalf of all consumers, I remember it very fondly.
Don’t worry, I won’t be contributing to this slush fund. My new Land Rover was built in the Solihull Plant, United Kingdom.
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Old 05-03-2024, 09:53 AM   #4
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I cant imagine spending $70K+ in this market. Like a year away from being $20k underwater.

I'm looking at 2022 Nissan Frontiers because its one of the few midsize trucks (I dont need a fullsize) that is made in America and not Mexico or some other cheap labor country, and its one of 2 engines that isn't switching to a turbo engine. For average yearly miles in good condition those are just starting to hit $28k and even that is a gut punch. 4 years ago it would have been $18k.
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Old 05-03-2024, 10:22 AM   #5
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I cant imagine spending $70K+ in this market. Like a year away from being $20k underwater.

I'm looking at 2022 Nissan Frontiers because its one of the few midsize trucks (I dont need a fullsize) that is made in America and not Mexico or some other cheap labor country, and its one of 2 engines that isn't switching to a turbo engine. For average yearly miles in good condition those are just starting to hit $28k and even that is a gut punch. 4 years ago it would have been $18k.
Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon...built right here in Missouri.
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Old 05-03-2024, 10:30 AM   #6
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Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon...built right here in Missouri.
Ya I know, but both went to smaller engines with turbos. I keep my vehicles til they stop working, so the straight V6 that Nissan has had around since 2005 and is proven reliable is much more appealing to me. Plus you can get them cheaper.
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Old 05-03-2024, 09:31 AM   #7
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Well, its done and delivered and in garage.


Did anyone there consider making it an app on the trucks dash?
That's how Ford does it
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Old 05-03-2024, 01:03 PM   #8
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Well, its done and delivered and in garage.

Happy with it. 1/2 ton Denali Crew cab

But here is a kick in the nuts.

Has amazing technology dashboard. clear as a bell, great graphics.

MSRP north of $70G

No Owners manual. None. Guidebook that covers sickum but legal shit.

Owners manual is a PDF online.

Ever read a book on your phone?

Did anyone there consider making it an app on the trucks dash?

So, I get in touch with GMC...yes you can get a traditional owners manual.

Its $50 plus postage and handling

No hard copy owners manual on a 70K rig? Yeah, I would have made them throw that in, that's horse shit. The are not going to crater a 70K deal over a $50 owners manual. At this point, keep checking for your manual on ebay.
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Old 05-03-2024, 01:09 PM   #9
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No hard copy owners manual on a 70K rig? Yeah, I would have made them throw that in, that's horse shit. The are not going to crater a 70K deal over a $50 owners manual. At this point, keep checking for your manual on ebay.

I just looked. There is one on there now for $19.95 with free shipping.......Go.
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Old 05-03-2024, 02:02 PM   #10
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I just looked. There is one on there now for $19.95 with free shipping.......Go.
That’s $20.00 I wouldn’t spend. He was cheated out of it. I’d f-ing call the dealership.
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Old 05-03-2024, 02:49 PM   #11
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That’s $20.00 I wouldn’t spend. He was cheated out of it. I’d f-ing call the dealership.
Yeah that would be the ideal solution and they damn well should provide one. With that said, you know how some of those outfits get after the sale. If they tell him to go pound sand, ebay would be a lot cheaper than spending the 50 bones, plus shipping.
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Old 05-03-2024, 03:28 PM   #12
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No hard copy owners manual on a 70K rig? Yeah, I would have made them throw that in, that's horse shit. The are not going to crater a 70K deal over a $50 owners manual. At this point, keep checking for your manual on ebay.

On my M2, the owner's manual is built into the car's computer. You just search and access it that way from the infotainment screen. It also has a phone app if you want it that way.
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Amazon Kindle Paperwhite. I have all my owner's manuals on it. But you are correct it ought to come with a manual or on the onboard dash computer.
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