*****The Jalen Royals Thread*****

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Skyy’s best trait was his 10 yard split which was an amazing 1.46. That’s top 10 among WR’s in combine history. He also had enough size to play outside. Route running was just part of it.

Unfortunately that draft was total garbage at WR after the top 3 in the class.

Rice and Royals have similar traits that they looked for in Skyy (size/10 yd explosion) but they appear to actually be good at football.

Oh well. Can’t hit on them all. Skyy was a miss but Rice and Worthy are hits.

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

I think Moore did fool people a bit.


Usually guys that run the route well technically do well in the NFL but not always. Moore looked fine as far as what running a route is supposed to look like but in the NFL you need to be able to set up the corner.

Moore could not do that.


You need to accelerate or snap out of your break.


Moore could not do that.


You need to be strong on the route you are running.


Moore is not.


Recall when we played Green Bay and Keisean Nixon was covering him. Nixon was running Moore's predictable route for him...

Keisean Nixon gets the INT!

📺: #KCvsGB on NBC
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/CQH1cx3gZS pic.twitter.com/axlUGsIoFM

— NFL (@NFL) December 4, 2023

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Moore did fool people a bit.


Usually guys that run the route well technically do well in the NFL but not always. Moore looked fine as far as what running a route is supposed to look like but in the NFL you need to be able to set up the corner.

Moore could not do that.


You need to accelerate or snap out of your break.


Moore could not do that.


You need to be strong on the route you are running.


Moore is not.


Recall when we played Green Bay and Keisean Nixon was covering him. Nixon was running Moore's predictable route for him...

Keisean Nixon gets the INT!

📺: #KCvsGB on NBC
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/CQH1cx3gZS pic.twitter.com/axlUGsIoFM

— NFL (@NFL) December 4, 2023

Sky's dumber than dogshit, Rashee as a rookie had to tell Moore where to line up correctly.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Sky's dumber than dogshit, Rashee as a rookie had to tell Moore where to line up correctly.

There were a lot of plays last year where Mahomes and/or Kelce had to tell him where to line up.

I am honestly disappointed that he still gets to put on a Chiefs uniform. I can't wait until he gets cut from the UFL.

I hated the pick, and was brow beaten into believing you-know-who, who claimed Moore would be a very good player.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

I think it's like most stats: Useful in context, but difficult to keep in context.

It's also kind of why Hunter Renfrow has been out of the league. Shifty little slot who can do some crazy stuff, but struggles being "on time" in the offense. If he's not freelancing, he's not productive, type of deal.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think it's like most stats: Useful in context, but difficult to keep in context.

It's also kind of why Hunter Renfrow has been out of the league. Shifty little slot who can do some crazy stuff, but struggles being "on time" in the offense. If he's not freelancing, he's not productive, type of deal.

To really give it much value is to overlook a point we've made in various different contexts -- the difference between a great player and someone who's just not in the league is ridiculously small.

So when you see a stat -- ANY stat -- where there's somebody that's out there doing things 50% better than anyone else in the league....you should REALLY start to question that stat.

Because the odds of Skyy Moore unlocking the rosetta stone for WR separation are...zero. Or Richie James, if we want to cite someone who's unlikely to illicit such strong opinions.

When you have these guys out there pulling up 2-3 yards of separation on average when the rest of the league is struggling to find a yard...well that tells you the stat is probably silly.

Richie James didn't come up with some magic way of running routes that Justin Jefferson just can't do or doesn't understand.

The margins are so small that if your stat ISN'T showing small margins, the problem is probably with the stat.

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

To really give it much value is to overlook a point we've made in various different contexts -- the difference between a great player and someone who's just not in the league is ridiculously small.

So when you see a stat -- ANY stat -- where there's somebody that's out there doing things 50% better than anyone else in the league....you should REALLY start to question that stat.

Because the odds of Skyy Moore unlocking the rosetta stone for WR separation are...zero. Or Richie James, if we want to cite someone who's unlikely to illicit such strong opinions.

When you have these guys out there pulling up 2-3 yards of separation on average when the rest of the league is struggling to find a yard...well that tells you the stat is probably silly.

Richie James didn't come up with some magic way of running routes that Justin Jefferson just can't do or doesn't understand.

The margins are so small that if your stat ISN'T showing small margins, the problem is probably with the stat.

A 5'9" receiver who can't separate is utterly uslesless. Which is why Skyy is complete ass.

That only works if you are Mike Evans and you're huge and you just catch everything cuz you're huge.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by fuzzy

A 5'9" receiver who can't separate is utterly uslesless. Which is why Skyy is complete ass.

That only works if you are Mike Evans and you're huge and you just catch everything cuz you're huge.

That is the thing though. He DOES separate at least at the initial point burst. I feel like he MUST not be very physical and get bumped off his route too easily. Combine that with his awful awful football IQ and just not understanding where he needs to receive the ball.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Kiimo

Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season

London was a beast coming out with size and ran great routes.

The only thing slowing him down was landing with Arthur Smith who lost his mind in Atlanta but is now a good OC again in Pittsburgh.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

Great post