The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Silock

Misdirection plays do not work unless you get the stretch play working. We've been stonewalled on the outside this year. So, if you follow the train of logic there, it's very, very difficult to get any kind of misdirection going when the stretch play doesn't work. And we've been stonewalled by 3-4 teams this year in ALL phases, not just up the middle. We still get the vast majority of our rushing yards up the middle, and it's not even a contest.



They anticipated the snap count, but they also were not blocked or touched. They just ran straight through.



No, we haven't. But it's deeper than just playcalling. Maybe playcalling is part of it, but you have to be able to physically execute the plays against the other team, and that's just not something that's happened much this year.



Duh?



Look, we got creamed by good defenses for a reason. It's execution, and we're just not doing that on offense right now, in any phase. Neither the Ravens nor the Chargers had to blitz to get pressure on our QB. They were able to generate pressure with their line. Blitzes just made the play over more quickly. Now, I agree that we should spread it out some more, but that's just a bandaid, and it won't work every single time. The problem is much deeper than that.

Did you ever think that the reason we got stonewalled had to do with the fact that the only thing our offense *wants* to do is run up the middle and when that is taken away our entire scheme falls apart?

We tried the stretch play a few times in the opener, and it didn't work...but to say that it has been taken away all year is ridiculous. After that game, Solari/Herm basically gave up on it. They're like a damned abused dog. If one bad thing happens, they cower in the corner and piss all over themselves...

They've done this all year, whether it's crawling into a complete shell after a turnover, or completely giving up on the screen game because one poorly designed play (a fucking TE screen) is snuffed out, never trying draws, pump draws, or actually running a reverse (which no one respects in the PA game, because we never actually do it save for Parker in Miami).

Without Roaf, without Wellbourne, using a less-experienced Black and Sampson on the edges, this team still moved the ball last year. People point to the Buffalo game...but that was an anomaly. The first six games last year, our offense averaged 25 ppg, and that's with a 10 point shitbath effort in Denver. This year, with the same players, our offense has put up 10 and 9 points in successive games. We've sucked ass in the redzone all year, and that's just the beginning of it.

We have a coach whose philosophy is play not ot lose, and an offensive coordinator who hasn't proven he can put the requisite planning together to lead a whore to bed.


Here's my question for you: When a reasonable poster (like bill parcells) points out the stunning similarities between this offense and the Jet offense of 01-05, doesn't that mean anything to you? parcells is a legitimate Jet fan and a good poster, he's not a troll. Look at the mediocrity of the offense, the lack of possession, the pandering to the media, the grousing from the locker room IN YEAR ONE.

Herm is an empty suit.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

When a reasonable poster (like bill parcells) points out the stunning similarities between this offense and the Jet offense of 01-05, doesn't that mean anything to you?

There are no "stunning similarities" that you can't point to and come to any reasonable conclusions. Some years, Herm ran the ball more, some he passed more. The years he passed more, he was less successful. The years he ran more, he usually got a playoff berth and a win, which is more than the 30 PPG, league leading offense ever got us. You can bitch and moan about the lack of offensive production, and you'd be right. We need more production. But you absolutely cannot ignore the injury situation and all around cluster**** that the offensive line has been this year. It's just not rational.

If, at this point next year, after all reasonable attempts to fix the offensive line have been made, and they are an improved unit and we're sitting a .500 or below, then I'll jump on your bandwagon. But not until then. It just doesn't make any sense to come to any conclusions right now. Belichick sucked before he got to the Patriots (and no, I'm not saying Herm is going to be Belichick). Every team and coaching combination is different, and it's a mistake to compare them. You have to take each situation as it comes. What I see is an improved defense, and an inherited offense with aging, injury, a new OC and lack of skill at the WR position. All good things come to an end. I think it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Herm showed up when he did. He's taking a lot of heat right now, because people expected immediate results. 37 years of frustration is coming to a head, and it sucks for the guy caught in the middle. I know that in this day and age we perpetually live in a "What have you done for me lately" mood, but this is a bit ridiculous.

I just don't believe it's possible to come to any kind of reasonable conclusion about a coach after only one season. If you want to do so, that's fine, but don't try and peddle it off as some kind of set in concrete fact. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, but without sufficient data, they are both opinions without much factual data backing them up.