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Old 12-29-2008, 02:31 PM   #1
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NE had 1 or possibly 2 bad drafts under Pioli/Belichick. Every other year was probably superior to anything KC has done in the same time frame. The draft has been the secret to their long term success, let's not pretend otherwise.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:33 PM   #2
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NE had 1 or possibly 2 bad drafts under Pioli/Belichick. Every other year was probably superior to anything KC has done in the same time frame. The draft has been the secret to their long term success, let's not pretend otherwise.
Better than bad does not equal good, Brock.

And no one said their drafts were bad, only that they were average at best.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:40 PM   #3
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Better than bad does not equal good, Brock.

And no one said their drafts were bad, only that they were average at best.
Not wanting to invest a bunch of time in analysis, I would guess that their drafts stack up pretty good against anyone's.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:53 PM   #4
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Not wanting to invest a bunch of time in analysis, I would guess that their drafts stack up pretty good against anyone's.
The list of Pioli's drafts is in post #35.

2000: Hit on 1/10 players - Brady

2001: Hit on 2/10 players - Seymour, Light

2002: Hit on 1/6 players - Branch

2003: Hit on 3/10 players - Warren, Samuel, Koppen

2004: Hit on 1/8 players - Wilfork

2005: Hit on 5/7 players - Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel

2006: Hit on 1/10 players - Gostkowski

2007: Early, but looking like 1/9 - Meriweather



Downright poor other than 2003/2005.

Even with those two years, they still only hit on 21% of picks during Pioli's time there. (15/70)
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:58 PM   #5
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that's why I said I'm surprised Mecca is so high on Pioli...he is going to shit dozens of bricks watching Pioli reach for guys...every year the talking heads talk about how the Patriots draft board is always vastly different than the rest of the teams in the NFL...
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:11 PM   #6
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that's why I said I'm surprised Mecca is so high on Pioli...he is going to shit dozens of bricks watching Pioli reach for guys...every year the talking heads talk about how the Patriots draft board is always vastly different than the rest of the teams in the NFL...
Did you know that Pioli was only 175lbs when he was drafted?
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:00 PM   #7
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The list of Pioli's drafts is in post #35.

2000: Hit on 1/10 players - Brady

2001: Hit on 2/10 players - Seymour, Light

2002: Hit on 1/6 players - Branch

2003: Hit on 3/10 players - Warren, Samuel, Koppen

2004: Hit on 1/8 players - Wilfork

2005: Hit on 5/7 players - Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel

2006: Hit on 1/10 players - Gostkowski

2007: Early, but looking like 1/9 - Meriweather



Downright poor other than 2003/2005.

Even with those two years, they still only hit on 21% of picks during Pioli's time there. (15/70)
where as we hit on LJ, DJ and Jared Allen. 3 players in 7 years.

But how can the next guy regardless of who it is be worse than King Carl? Is it even possible outside of the Lions and Al Davis's war rooms?
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where as we hit on LJ, DJ and Jared Allen. 3 players in 7 years.

But how can the next guy regardless of who it is be worse than King Carl? Is it even possible outside of the Lions and Al Davis's war rooms?
Again, being better than KC at drafting doesn't make you good at it.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:12 PM   #9
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Again, being better than KC at drafting doesn't make you good at it.
Not to be a jackass, but for argument's sake, what team would you say has hit the most on their recent drafts?
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:10 PM   #10
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The list of Pioli's drafts is in post #35.

2000: Hit on 1/10 players - Brady

2001: Hit on 2/10 players - Seymour, Light

2002: Hit on 1/6 players - Branch

2003: Hit on 3/10 players - Warren, Samuel, Koppen

2004: Hit on 1/8 players - Wilfork

2005: Hit on 5/7 players - Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel

2006: Hit on 1/10 players - Gostkowski

2007: Early, but looking like 1/9 - Meriweather



Downright poor other than 2003/2005.

Even with those two years, they still only hit on 21% of picks during Pioli's time there. (15/70)
Interesting.
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Interesting.
But remember where they were drafting. A lot harder to find Pro Bowlers picking 30-32nd.
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Better than bad does not equal good, Brock.

And no one said their drafts were bad, only that they were average at best.
I don't think the Pats had below average drafts, but I do think that their coach can get every little ounce out of every player, unlike the coach here.
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NE had 1 or possibly 2 bad drafts under Pioli/Belichick. Every other year was probably superior to anything KC has done in the same time frame. The draft has been the secret to their long term success, let's not pretend otherwise.
A lot of teams have drafted better than KC. i wonder how other potential Gm candidates have drafted compared to Pioli's?
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