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Old 02-09-2009, 01:03 AM   #1
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Almost as bad as calling Joey Harrington an average NFL QB.

Who, in your "infinite wisdom" is an AVERAGE NFL QB?

Don't EVEN like this shit is rocket-science and can be explained by statistics alone.

Are you a Thigpen supporter?
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:01 AM   #2
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Who, in your "infinite wisdom" is an AVERAGE NFL QB?

Don't EVEN like this shit is rocket-science and can be explained by statistics alone.

Are you a Thigpen supporter?
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Marc Bulger
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Steve DeBerg
Dave Kreig
etc...
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:55 AM   #3
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Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Marc Bulger
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Steve DeBerg
Dave Kreig
etc...


Delhomme, Collins and Hasselbeck are average?

I'm sorry but this discussion is over. You clearly don't understand the difference between a bust (someone who NEVER had a career), an average QB, an above average QB and guys who have led their respective teams to the Super Bowl.

JFC.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:07 PM   #4
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Delhomme, Collins and Hasselbeck are average?

I'm sorry but this discussion is over. You clearly don't understand the difference between a bust (someone who NEVER had a career), an average QB, an above average QB and guys who have led their respective teams to the Super Bowl.

JFC.
Taking your team to the Super Bowl isn't the end all be all to a QB being great. Trent Dilfer was an average QB too, and he won a Super Bowl.

You obviously have much lower expectations than I do for someone who we will draft at number 3. At that slot we need a game changer, and none of those players I listed are that.

Just because someone is a starter on a team other than the Chiefs, that doesn't mean that they are above average. All of those guys I listed are average NFL starting QBs in my opinion. Much more so than Joey Harrington, that's for sure.

How many of the guys off that list would you be happy with if we could draft that player at #3?
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Old 02-09-2009, 02:45 PM   #5
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Delhomme, Collins and Hasselbeck are average?

I'm sorry but this discussion is over. You clearly don't understand the difference between a bust (someone who NEVER had a career), an average QB, an above average QB and guys who have led their respective teams to the Super Bowl.

JFC.
OK, you got me thinking about this and if maybe I was being too hard on some of these QBs. So, I listed each starting QB from last year and where I would rank them roughly. Where do you disagree that Delhomme, Collins or Hasselbeck should move up this list? And where would Harrington fit in here. By definition, average would be anything in the middle group, numbers 10 or 11 through about 21.


1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Kurt Warner
7. Tony Romo
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Jay Cutler
10. Eli Manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Matt Ryan
13. Aaron Rogers
14. Matt Hasselbeck
15. David Garrard
16. Marc Bulger
17. Kerry Collins
18. Chad Pennington
19. Jeff Garcia
20. Matt Shaub
21. Brett Favre
22. Trent Edwards
23. Joe Flacco
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Jason Campbell
26. Kyle Orton
27. Tyler Thigpen
28. Shaun Hill
29. Brady Quinn
30. JaMarcus Russell
31. Tarvaris Jackson
32. Dan Orlovsky
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:20 PM   #6
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OK, you got me thinking about this and if maybe I was being too hard on some of these QBs. So, I listed each starting QB from last year and where I would rank them roughly. Where do you disagree that Delhomme, Collins or Hasselbeck should move up this list? And where would Harrington fit in here. By definition, average would be anything in the middle group, numbers 10 or 11 through about 21.


1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Kurt Warner
7. Tony Romo
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Jay Cutler
10. Eli Manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Matt Ryan
13. Aaron Rogers
14. Matt Hasselbeck
15. David Garrard
16. Marc Bulger
17. Kerry Collins
18. Chad Pennington
19. Jeff Garcia
20. Matt Shaub
21. Brett Favre
22. Trent Edwards
23. Joe Flacco
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Jason Campbell
26. Kyle Orton
27. Tyler Thigpen
28. Shaun Hill
29. Brady Quinn
30. JaMarcus Russell
31. Tarvaris Jackson
32. Dan Orlovsky
You are listing starting QBs. There were over 100 QBs in the NFL this year.
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:23 PM   #7
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You are listing starting QBs. There were over 100 QBs in the NFL this year.
so, we are looking for someone that could be a decent backup then?

Of course I am listing starting QBs. Usually when you look at a team and say if they have a good QB or not, you look at the starter, no?

You're right, of every QB playing, backing up, and on a practice squad in the NFL, Joey Harrington is average.

I'm sure that the Lions are just thrilled that they got him at #3!
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:13 PM   #8
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Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Marc Bulger
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Steve DeBerg
Dave Kreig
etc...
Every QB on that list is well above average.
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OK, you got me thinking about this and if maybe I was being too hard on some of these QBs. So, I listed each starting QB from last year and where I would rank them roughly. Where do you disagree that Delhomme, Collins or Hasselbeck should move up this list? And where would Harrington fit in here. By definition, average would be anything in the middle group, numbers 10 or 11 through about 21.


1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Kurt Warner
7. Tony Romo
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Jay Cutler
10. Eli Manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Matt Ryan
13. Aaron Rogers
14. Matt Hasselbeck
15. David Garrard
16. Marc Bulger
17. Kerry Collins
18. Chad Pennington
19. Jeff Garcia
20. Matt Shaub
21. Brett Favre
22. Trent Edwards
23. Joe Flacco
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Jason Campbell
26. Kyle Orton
27. Tyler Thigpen
28. Shaun Hill
29. Brady Quinn
30. JaMarcus Russell
31. Tarvaris Jackson
32. Dan Orlovsky
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Every QB on that list is well above average.

OK, please show me where they should be listed then in this group. As far as I have them ranked, they are the very definition of average.
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OK, please show me where they should be listed then in this group. As far as I have them ranked, they are the very definition of average.
The problem with your list is you just listed the starting QB's when you factor in most teams carry 3 then your list is schewed. All the starters are above average in the league, the top backups are the average QB's, and the 3rd stringers are the scrubs.
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The problem with your list is you just listed the starting QB's when you factor in most teams carry 3 then your list is schewed. All the starters are above average in the league, the top backups are the average QB's, and the 3rd stringers are the scrubs.
I have literally NEVER seen anyone argue that Joey Harrington is an average NFL QB until this thread. I honestly can't believe it.

OK, every starting QB in the NFL is above average then.

Then, of course let's draft a QB! He's guaranteed to be at least average!
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I have literally NEVER seen anyone argue that Joey Harrington is an average NFL QB until this thread. I honestly can't believe it.

OK, every starting QB in the NFL is above average then.

Then, of course let's draft a QB! He's guaranteed to be at least average!
Who said anything about drafting an "average" QB?

Furthermore, if Joey Harrington wasn't at least "average", he wouldn't have over 15,000 yards passing in the NFL and he would not be a member of the New Orleans Saints.

And he wouldn't be backing up Drew Brees and the number one offense in the league. Somehow, some way, I think Sean Payton has this offense thing figured out and if Harrington couldn't hack it, he'd be gone.
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I have literally NEVER seen anyone argue that Joey Harrington is an average NFL QB until this thread. I honestly can't believe it.

OK, every starting QB in the NFL is above average then.

Then, of course let's draft a QB! He's guaranteed to be at least average!
Nobody said that we wanted an average QB, but that wasn't your argument. You argued that Harrington wasn't an average QB. List every QB in the NFL, and I will rank him along with
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Marc Bulger
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Steve DeBerg
Dave Kreig
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