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Old 02-10-2009, 06:30 PM   #1
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green wasnt good?
Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:31 PM   #2
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Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.
Trent Green was a cog in the system as opposed to being the guy who is the franchise.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:31 PM   #3
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Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.

I have seen you in the past take the exact opposite stance on this. That a QB's success really isn't directly related to Super Bowl wins. What changed that?
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:46 PM   #4
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I have seen you in the past take the exact opposite stance on this. That a QB's success really isn't directly related to Super Bowl wins. What changed that?
I'm pretty sure the post you quoted says playoff wins, does it not?

Many QB's win playoff games.

Very few win SB's.

So no, I don't think winning a SB is a good barometer.

But you ought to be able to win some playoff games, and give your team a chance at the big game.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:54 PM   #5
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I'm pretty sure the post you quoted says playoff wins, does it not?

Many QB's win playoff games.

Very few win SB's.

So no, I don't think winning a SB is a good barometer.

But you ought to be able to win some playoff games, and give your team a chance at the big game.
by yourself? what if your defense sucks?
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:00 PM   #6
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by yourself? what if your defense sucks?
Pittsburgh's defense had a 2nd half collapse in the Super Bowl, allowing Arizona to take a late lead after being down 13.

I don't have to tell you what happened next.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:05 PM   #7
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Pittsburgh's defense had a 2nd half collapse in the Super Bowl, allowing Arizona to take a late lead after being down 13.

I don't have to tell you what happened next.
did their defense suck? no it had a bad half. our defense sucked all game long in every playoff game TG played in
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:07 PM   #8
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did their defense suck? no it had a bad half. our defense sucked all game long in every playoff game TG played in
Tyler Thigpen had numerous chances to make a play and win a game at the end, he failed every time.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:12 PM   #9
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did their defense suck? no it had a bad half. our defense sucked all game long in every playoff game TG played in


IIRC, (I was there) we held Peyton and Company to NINE points in the 1st half in 2006. Only giving up 23 for the game was a miracle, considering the defense was on the field the entire game.

We held Denver to 14 points in 1997.

You can bitch about the Indy home game, and that's it.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:58 PM   #10
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I'm pretty sure the post you quoted says playoff wins, does it not?

Many QB's win playoff games.

Very few win SB's.

So no, I don't think winning a SB is a good barometer.

But you ought to be able to win some playoff games, and give your team a chance at the big game.


It does. Was just trying to figure out where it ended where someone was considered being a good QB.

It's not Super Bowls, but a good QB wins playoff games.

Got it.
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I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.
I guess that depends on what you call a big, important game.
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