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Old 02-10-2009, 11:50 PM  
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Texas busts taken in the top ten...
Someone posted a list of University of Texas players taken top 10, who all turned out to be busts. Anyone know where that was posted, or could refer me to a good source?
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:46 PM   #46
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I'm guessing we've been burned so many times by first round draft picks that we'll consider any success, no matter how small, a quality pick.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:47 PM   #47
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Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.
Would Earl Campbell do?
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I'm guessing we've been burned so many times by first round draft picks that we'll consider any success, no matter how small, a quality pick.
Pretty much, it's a good way to sum up why some still don't think Hali was a bad pick.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:51 PM   #49
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Running backs that give you 1,853 yards in a single season are a dime a dozen.
Larry Johnson has 1750 twice, Priest Holmes had 1500 twice and more than 1400 a third time. It's not like you're talking hall of famer here.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:53 PM   #50
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Running backs that give you 1,853 yards in a single season are a dime a dozen.
Because I want to spend the #5 pick on a RB who cleared 1500 yards and 10 TDs once in his entire career and who has a career YPA of 4.0
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:57 PM   #51
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None of that matters.

A #2 overall pick at LT who has to move to guard because he sucks ass playing LT is a bust, regardless of his success at guard.
That is a ridiculous argument. A bust is a player who provides no more than minimal value to a team. A disappointment? Yes. A bust? No.

Calling him a bust as a pro is like calling Kerry Meier a bust as a college player. Maybe he didn't reach his full potential as a QB, but he has certainly provided a lot of value even if it is at a lesser position.
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Why cut it off at 10? Less than 1/3 of all NFL teams pick there.

All those players I mentioned were highly decorated players coming out of Texas and they lived up to their accolades with their pro performance. They were hardly unknowns.

Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers were top 10 talents. They got a lot of pre-draft publicity prior to the 2001 draft. Hampton was a first-team All-American.

Aaron Ross only won the Jim Thorpe Award at Texas.

Nathan Vasher was a first-team All-American.

My point being is cutting off the crop at 10 eliminates a lot of good Longhorns talent that had a case to get picked that high.
What is the title of the thread, you stupid ****?
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Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.
I'm just hoping for someone better than Ryan Sims. Perhaps our expectations are different...

I think we need to take the original post into consideration, too. You cannot blame Texas, their coaching, scouting or anything else for what made Ricky fall short. Everyone knows it was Ditka who corrupted him... that pothead.
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I'm just hoping for someone better than Ryan Sims. Perhaps our expectations are different...

I think we need to take the original post into consideration, too. You cannot blame Texas, their coaching, scouting or anything else for what made Ricky fall short. Everyone knows it was Ditka who corrupted him... that pothead.
You people need to let Sims go. You don't hope for an average player in the top 5 or 10. You need a guy who is going to be among the best players at his position for years.
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Ricky Williams not living up to expectations had nothing to do with whether he could play in the NFL. Unforseen cirumstances derailed his career.

If I am the Detroit Lions in 1980, I still take Billy Sims with the #1 overall pick and have no regrets about it.
I guess that Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf, and Rae Carruth were also derailed by unforeseen circumstances, since they all had the physical talent to play in the league.
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That is a ridiculous argument. A bust is a player who provides no more than minimal value to a team. A disappointment? Yes. A bust? No.

Calling him a bust as a pro is like calling Kerry Meier a bust as a college player. Maybe he didn't reach his full potential as a QB, but he has certainly provided a lot of value even if it is at a lesser position.
A player who fails to produce at the position he was drafted to play is a bust. End of story.

And expectations are even higher for top picks. They're expected not just to succeed, but play at a high level for years

If you draft a guy to play left tackle at 2 and he plays there for 10 years with a few pro bowls, you've gotten your money's worth. If the guy doesn't play at that level, but he's been your starter for a few years (think John Tait, but drafted #2 instead of 14), he's a disappointment, but he's at least produced at the position. If the guy you spent the number 2 pick on ends up at guard, he's a bust. Period.

Robert Gallery is not what you're looking for in the top 5.
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Not you are going off the deep end. Comparing a NFL All-Pro to those bums.
No I'm not. No one who drafted any of those guys would have done so had they known about those "unforeseen circumstances" off the field. But guess what--that's why guys drop due to "character concerns".

I'm not the one playing fast and loose with an argument saying that Ricky Williams can't be viewed negatively because he pissed away his talent and that Ryan Leaf, Phillips, and Carruth can.
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Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.
Ricky Williams will likely end his career among the top 25 running backs in NFL history in terms of yardage. He's a lot of things, but he's not a bust.

8615 yards would put him at number 30 all time. He finished this season with 7771.
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You people need to let Sims go.
I'm seeing a therapist. He just hurt me so much...

But this draft pick is going to be MUCH better *optimism*

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Ricky Williams will likely end his career among the top 25 running backs in NFL history in terms of yardage. He's a lot of things, but he's not a bust.

8615 yards would put him at number 30 all time. He finished this season with 7771.
And he got all those yards seeing double from the bong resin. That's gotta count for something, like Mickey Mantle hitting most of his homers while seeing three baseballs coming at him. :-)
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Ryan Sims being brought up, this fan base really is motivated by fear.
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