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Old 02-11-2009, 08:44 PM   #1
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What about Ricky Williams? He better than some high-end draft picks.

He may have turned into a lazy pothead, but He's better than Rashaan Salaam or Ki Jana Carter, etc. He had a few good years in.
Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:47 PM   #2
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Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:51 PM   #3
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Running backs that give you 1,853 yards in a single season are a dime a dozen.
Larry Johnson has 1750 twice, Priest Holmes had 1500 twice and more than 1400 a third time. It's not like you're talking hall of famer here.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:53 PM   #4
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Running backs that give you 1,853 yards in a single season are a dime a dozen.
Because I want to spend the #5 pick on a RB who cleared 1500 yards and 10 TDs once in his entire career and who has a career YPA of 4.0
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:03 PM   #5
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Ricky Williams not living up to expectations had nothing to do with whether he could play in the NFL. Unforseen cirumstances derailed his career.

If I am the Detroit Lions in 1980, I still take Billy Sims with the #1 overall pick and have no regrets about it.
I guess that Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf, and Rae Carruth were also derailed by unforeseen circumstances, since they all had the physical talent to play in the league.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:06 PM   #6
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Not you are going off the deep end. Comparing a NFL All-Pro to those bums.
No I'm not. No one who drafted any of those guys would have done so had they known about those "unforeseen circumstances" off the field. But guess what--that's why guys drop due to "character concerns".

I'm not the one playing fast and loose with an argument saying that Ricky Williams can't be viewed negatively because he pissed away his talent and that Ryan Leaf, Phillips, and Carruth can.
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Old 02-11-2009, 10:23 PM   #7
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I guess that Lawrence Phillips, Ryan Leaf, and Rae Carruth were also derailed by unforeseen circumstances, since they all had the physical talent to play in the league.
But none of those guys had careers cut short by injury. Billy Sims knee blew out.
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But none of those guys had careers cut short by injury. Billy Sims knee blew out.
The argument was about Ricky Williams.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:11 PM   #9
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Because I want to spend the #5 pick on a RB who cleared 1500 yards and 10 TDs once in his entire career and who has a career YPA of 4.0
Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.
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Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.
Show me where I said he was a bust. What he is, is a goddamned disappointment.
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Why cut it off at 10? Less than 1/3 of all NFL teams pick there.

All those players I mentioned were highly decorated players coming out of Texas and they lived up to their accolades with their pro performance. They were hardly unknowns.

Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers were top 10 talents. They got a lot of pre-draft publicity prior to the 2001 draft. Hampton was a first-team All-American.

Aaron Ross only won the Jim Thorpe Award at Texas.

Nathan Vasher was a first-team All-American.

My point being is cutting off the crop at 10 eliminates a lot of good Longhorns talent that had a case to get picked that high.
What is the title of the thread, you stupid ****?
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Once again, there were Longhorns prospects like Hampton that were certainly deserving of top 10 consideration, that didn't go there.
Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:14 PM   #13
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Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.
Hampton was, Rogers wasnt.
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Hampton was, Rogers wasnt.
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Once again, there were Longhorns prospects like Hampton that were certainly deserving of top 10 consideration, that didn't go there.
Billy Ray, thats not the point of this thread.
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