Is the "spread" the new 3-4?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

Those teams were all able to vary their attack though. The Chiefs couldn't. The spread is fine for situational matchups, but it can't be your bread and butter.

I disagree. WHY can't it be your bread and butter IF you can also run under center ENOUGH to be versatile? What if the team ran a 80/20 spread/standard?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I disagree. WHY can't it be your bread and butter IF you can also run under center ENOUGH to be versatile? What if the team ran a 80/20 spread/standard?

I agree with this.

The spread did wonders for our offense last season. We were TERRIBLE goal to go...

We adjusted to the spread halfway through the season...Gailey pretty much drew something up and said "this is what we're going to do!"

Who's to say a whole offseason with OFFENSIVE minded coaches won't do wonders for Thigpen/the spread/the offense/red zone packages/etc...

I'm in the Stafford/Sanchez camp, but I don't think it will be the end of the world if we give Thigpen another go around.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I disagree. WHY can't it be your bread and butter IF you can also run under center ENOUGH to be versatile? What if the team ran a 80/20 spread/standard?

What do you do when a team neutralizes your spread? If you're the Steelers, you have a built in ability to go to a power running offense. There are probably at least a few games the Chiefs would have been able to win this last year if they could have changed it up. I'm not against running the spread a lot, but only if you can immediately change in mid-drive to something else.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Brock

What do you do when a team neutralizes your spread? If you're the Steelers, you have a built in ability to go to a power running offense. There are probably at least a few games the Chiefs would have been able to win this last year if they could have changed it up. I'm not against running the spread a lot, but only if you can immediately change in mid-drive to something else.

Except for the fact that the Steelers can't run the ball.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

I'm not against running the spread a lot, but only if you can immediately change in mid-drive to something else.

I agree with this entirely. I think our inability to do so may be due to Tyler's limits OR it may be because we half-assed our way all season and ended up with a hobbled together offense. Who knows what a full off season could produce.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I disagree. WHY can't it be your bread and butter IF you can also run under center ENOUGH to be versatile? What if the team ran a 80/20 spread/standard?

They better have a litany of QBs, because most of them are going to get killed. QBs get hit more under the spread, and it hampers your ability to run the ball.

Yeah, you could run it successfully if you had the line of the '03 Chiefs, or if you have receivers like Moss and Welker who can beat 1 on 1 coverage.

What are the odds of being able to field either one of those units?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They better have a litany of QBs, because most of them are going to get killed. QBs get hit more under the spread, and it hampers your ability to run the ball.

Yeah, you could run it successfully if you had the line of the '03 Chiefs, or if you have receivers like Moss and Welker who can beat 1 on 1 coverage.

What are the odds of being able to field either one of those units?

I disagree on the QBs getting creamed... a running or shotgun QB is more "prepared" for the hit than a QB in the pocket who often gets blindsided.

Last year proved that we can run it effectively everywhere except the red zone. Other teams COULD run it effectively in the red zone. My theory is that it's because we weren't even close to the talent level of the Pats or Steelers.

AND if you recall, our red zone offense suffered most from DROPS and ineffective running. The drops were bad luck/inconsistent wrs and have nothing to do with what offense you play. The lack of running could be due to the spread but I will argue it equally could be due to a GOD AWFUL OL. We had a rookie LT that showed promise and a veteran guard that played well. Other than that you could've replaced the rest of them with traffic cones and done as well.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I disagree on the QBs getting creamed... a running or shotgun QB is more "prepared" for the hit than a QB in the pocket who often gets blindsided.

That's funny because the numbers will show you that QBs, including our own, get hit more often when they go to a spread than from a traditional drop under center.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's funny because the numbers will show you that QBs, including our own, get hit more often when they go to a spread than from a traditional drop under center.

True.

But most of the hits Thigpen took were the ones he took when he was running the ball.

Thigpen never really made any reads...he pretty much knew where he was throwing the ball before he took the snap. Obviously, this isn't really a good thing...but it did prevent him from taking hits when throwing the ball.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's funny because the numbers will show you that QBs, including our own, get hit more often when they go to a spread than from a traditional drop under center.

Hits are different than getting creamed. Show me numbers on QB injuries in the NFL showing that QBs get INJURED more out of a spread.

The fact is they don't. I will take 10 hits I see over 1 I don't. In the spread you almost always see it coming.

Now I will give you that TRADITIONAL QBs get hurt more often when they try to run... but those aren't the type of QBs I am talking about. I am talking about QBs built to run the ball and who know how to take hits. Not you Palmer's or Leinharts but your Youngs and Brees.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Hits are different than getting creamed. Show me numbers on QB injuries in the NFL showing that QBs get INJURED more out of a spread.

The fact is they don't. I will take 10 hits I see over 1 I don't. In the spread you almost always see it coming.

Now I will give you that TRADITIONAL QBs get hurt more often when they try to run... but those aren't the type of QBs I am talking about. I am talking about QBs built to run the ball and who know how to take hits. Not you Palmer's or Leinharts but your Youngs and Brees.

I haven't said anything about running. You are inventing an argument. Thigpen wasn't getting hit more because he was running. He was getting hit more because the D knew they were passing on every down.

Furthermore, you are basing your entire argument on something that is unprovable. The fact that getting a blindside hit is 10 times as bad as getting knocked on your ass when you see it coming.

And explain to me why you see it coming in the spread. As soon as you turn to make your first read, you've cut your field of vision in half. You can't throw when your body is parallel to the line of scrimmage unless you are a girl.

QBs in the spread don't take big hits eh?

Like Ben, who got a severe concussion, ****ed his shoulder, and broke his ribs this year?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I haven't said anything about running. You are inventing an argument. Thigpen wasn't getting hit more because he was running. He was getting hit more because the D knew they were passing on every down.

Furthermore, you are basing your entire argument on something that is unprovable. The fact that getting a blindside hit is 10 times as bad as getting knocked on your ass when you see it coming.

And explain to me why you see it coming in the spread. As soon as you turn to make your first read, you've cut your field of vision in half. You can't throw when your body is parallel to the line of scrimmage unless you are a girl.

QBs in the spread don't take big hits eh?

Like Ben, who got a severe concussion, ****ed his shoulder, and broke his ribs this year?

I never said that QBs in the spread don't take big hits.

I simply pointed out that since YOU made the arguement regarding injury, YOU need to supply the proof. Give me numbers on it or you are just pissing in the wind. Just because you state it as fact doesn't make it so. Your statement... your proof to provide.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's funny because the numbers will show you that QBs, including our own, get hit more often when they go to a spread than from a traditional drop under center.

Most teams probably go to a spread in 2nd or 3rd and long situations. QB's are more likely to get sacked in known passing downs. It doesn't necessarily mean it is the spread.