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Old 04-07-2009, 02:45 PM  
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Why I do not favor going QB with the #3 overall.

It's not that I don't love Sanchez and Stafford. I do -- especially Sanchez.

My major issue, aside from the fact that it would mean the Chiefs picking up QB with their 1st and 2nd round picks from this Draft, is Cassell.

I don't know if Cassell is the stud that he was in New England, but he probably isn't. He's a game manager, and he's a pretty tough one at that. I don't think he can win games by the pure force of his will, but he won't be the reason the Chiefs lose many games, either. He's a conservative choice.

And, well, I believe he'll succeed conservatively. I don't think he'll ever put up Pro Bowl numbers for us, but I do think he'll be a safe option at QB who can be ensured to be careful with the ball and not wilt under pressure.

I don't want a rookie stud behind him because the rookie will waste away there. Cassell may, in all likelihood, remain perfectly healthy. It will be unlikely that we ever have to play our rookie for an extended amount of time as Cassell sort-of flourishes in that Cassell-like way.

Can you see ANY NFL team abandon a sure, safe option at QB for an unknown? I can't. Not even Pioli.

Which in all likelihood means we will allow this rookie to rot on the bench, or we'll trade him away -- and if we trade him away, what are the odds we end up with a Top 5 pick? Next to zero. Lost value, for nothing.

If you see Cassell crashing and burning, than Sanchez makes sense. But if you're like me, and you see him simply play well but never spectacularly, I doubt we'll ever make the most out of our #3 overall QB.
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Old 04-07-2009, 03:23 PM   #16
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Someone said Pioli isn't going to abandon the safe option at QB. You said the Pats did it with Brady and Bledsoe. They didn't. Brady didn't get a shot until Bledsoe was bleeding to death on the field. Brady led them to the Super Bowl. They didn't abandon the safe option. The safe option got injured.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:07 PM   #17
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Why I do favor it:

Potential Franchise QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game manager.
Serious question: What characteristics/traits do you see in Sanchez that will make him a "potential franchise quarterback" compared to Matt Cassel?
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:03 PM   #18
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It's not that I don't love Sanchez and Stafford. I do -- especially Sanchez.

My major issue, aside from the fact that it would mean the Chiefs picking up QB with their 1st and 2nd round picks from this Draft, is Cassell.

I don't know if Cassell is the stud that he was in New England, but he probably isn't. He's a game manager, and he's a pretty tough one at that. I don't think he can win games by the pure force of his will, but he won't be the reason the Chiefs lose many games, either. He's a conservative choice.

And, well, I believe he'll succeed conservatively . I don't think he'll ever put up Pro Bowl numbers for us, but I do think he'll be a safe option at QB who can be ensured to be careful with the ball and not wilt under pressure.

I don't want a rookie stud behind him because the rookie will waste away there. Cassell may, in all likelihood, remain perfectly healthy. It will be unlikely that we ever have to play our rookie for an extended amount of time as Cassell sort-of flourishes in that Cassell-like way.

Can you see ANY NFL team abandon a sure, safe option at QB for an unknown? I can't. Not even Pioli.

Which in all likelihood means we will allow this rookie to rot on the bench, or we'll trade him away -- and if we trade him away, what are the odds we end up with a Top 5 pick? Next to zero. Lost value, for nothing.

If you see Cassell crashing and burning, than Sanchez makes sense. But if you're like me, and you see him simply play well but never spectacularly, I doubt we'll ever make the most out of our #3 overall QB.
That's simply not good enough for me, and it shouldn't be good enough for anyone else.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:11 PM   #19
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That's simply not good enough for me, and it shouldn't be good enough for anyone else.
What, didn't you hear Matt Cassel threw the most beautiful pass in the history of football.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:24 PM   #20
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It's not that I don't love Sanchez and Stafford. I do -- especially Sanchez.

My major issue, aside from the fact that it would mean the Chiefs picking up QB with their 1st and 2nd round picks from this Draft, is Cassell.

I don't know if Cassell is the stud that he was in New England, but he probably isn't. He's a game manager, and he's a pretty tough one at that. I don't think he can win games by the pure force of his will, but he won't be the reason the Chiefs lose many games, either. He's a conservative choice.

And, well, I believe he'll succeed conservatively. I don't think he'll ever put up Pro Bowl numbers for us, but I do think he'll be a safe option at QB who can be ensured to be careful with the ball and not wilt under pressure.

I don't want a rookie stud behind him because the rookie will waste away there. Cassell may, in all likelihood, remain perfectly healthy. It will be unlikely that we ever have to play our rookie for an extended amount of time as Cassell sort-of flourishes in that Cassell-like way.

Can you see ANY NFL team abandon a sure, safe option at QB for an unknown? I can't. Not even Pioli.

Which in all likelihood means we will allow this rookie to rot on the bench, or we'll trade him away -- and if we trade him away, what are the odds we end up with a Top 5 pick? Next to zero. Lost value, for nothing.

If you see Cassell crashing and burning, than Sanchez makes sense. But if you're like me, and you see him simply play well but never spectacularly, I doubt we'll ever make the most out of our #3 overall QB.
Someone get this guy an ID badge and an IV, STAT. He's showing advanced symptoms of TFS.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:25 PM   #21
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Serious question: What characteristics/traits do you see in Sanchez that will make him a "potential franchise quarterback" compared to Matt Cassel?
How many times does this question need to be answered?
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:39 PM   #22
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How many times does this question need to be answered?
Once would be nice. And make sure it's a well-thought out, objective answer.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:45 PM   #23
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Once would be nice. And make sure it's a well-thought out, objective answer.
Because scouting is ever objective. Get real.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:23 PM   #24
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Someone get this guy an ID badge and an IV, STAT. He's showing advanced symptoms of TFS.


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I read his post and wondered if he'd been hijacked or something.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:28 AM   #26
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Because scouting is ever objective. Get real.
Good answer, and one that I fully expected. Excellent insight to why Sanchez is going to be a better quarterback than Cassel, who's already had a winning record in the NFL.
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Good answer, and one that I fully expected. Excellent insight to why Sanchez is going to be a better quarterback than Cassel, who's already had a winning record in the NFL.
Using the nifty search feature that Chiefsplanet has, I was able to find this post in like three seconds. I happen to agree with it http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...7&postcount=31

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That aside, Sanchez has a better arm, elite intangibles, phenomenal footwork, he's four years younger, he operates very well under center (Cassel was far more effective from Shotgun), and he didn't have to have the best offense in the NFL in order to have slightly above average production.
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I've discussed numerous times why I like Sanchez and Stafford better than Cassel, but here's another reason.

Because half of you dumb****s don't even ****ing know how to spell our brand new QBs name correctly.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:13 AM   #29
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I've discussed numerous times why I like Sanchez and Stafford better than Cassel, but here's another reason.

Because half of you dumb****s don't even ****ing know how to spell our brand new QBs name correctly.
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Serious question: What characteristics/traits do you see in Sanchez that will make him a "potential franchise quarterback" compared to Matt Cassel?
From http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...rk-Sanchez.php.

I removed the physical stuff because alot of guys have what it takes physically. When I look at a QB, I want to know if he has "it". Here's what Scott Wright says:

Really anticipates well and displays nice touch and timing...
Intelligent with a high football IQ...
Recognizes blitzes, can read coverages and go through his progressions...
Is tough, fiery and super competitive...
Truly loves the game...
Excellent work ethic...
A team leader and field general...


And here's his complete list of negatives, physical and mental:

Limited starting experience...Doesn't have the ideal height that you look for...Durability is a concern...Does not always throw a tight spiral...Has some trouble with the deep ball...Can get flustered by a strong pass rush...Makes some bad decisions...Won't run away from people...Had an issue off-the-field...Was surrounded by a lot of talent.

Notice that, other than "Had an issue off-the-field" he has ZERO emotional negatives? The only mental negatives he has between the lines is dealing with overwhelming rushes and making a few bad decisions. Otherwise, they're all physical.

I'm 100% convinced this guy has "it".
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