Is BJ Raji worth #3 overall? - Page 3

Direckshun · 03-02-2009, 01:48 AM

A gigantic nose tackle who can penetrate upfield?

Does Raji have what it takes to be a top five pick?

Thoughts.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Matt Stafford is not going to be there. That is a red herring.

To the real question - What tools do you want me to use to compare Sanchez and Cassel? QB rating? Experience? Winning? Watching?

I have done all of that and I would argue that:

Cassel will win a playoff game before Sanchez.

Whether either gets to the SB depends on a bazillion other variables.

I love that it's an absolute that Stafford won't be there at three. We are talking about Detroit. They just went 0-16 and hired from within.

That aside, Sanchez has a better arm, elite intangibles, phenomenal footwork, he's four years younger, he operates very well under center (Cassel was far more effective from Shotgun), and he didn't have to have the best offense in the NFL in order to have slightly above average production.

MTG#10 · 03-02-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

and he didn't have to have the best offense in the NFL in order to have slightly above average production.

This means absolutely nothing.

NFL defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pac 10 defense

keg in kc · 03-02-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I know. It's just one of the many reasons why I didn't like the Cassel trade, or the move to a 3-4. It's all related.

Cassel aside for a moment, this reminds me a lot of people upset in 2001 that we were scrapping the west coast offense and going to the Coryell. I mean, we had all these players, and they'd had some degree of success, so why were we changing to a completely different offensive system that nobody on the roster fit? That's how it is right now changing from the 4-3 to the 3-4.

There are some differences, obviously, Dorsey being one of them - there was no equivalent offensive player to him in 2001 - but all-in-all I can't really get upset that we're switching to a 3-4. Because I've been watching the 4-3 fail here for a decade. Maybe another direction is exactly what they need. And really, what are they losing?

As for Cassel, I didn't want to bring him here, but I understand why they did. And he's about as close to a QBotF as you could possibly get via a trade which makes it slightly easier to stomach. If he was 35 I'd probably be in full meltdown mode, but he's a longer-term kind of move than that. Assuming he doesn't fall flat on his ass.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Cassel aside for a moment, this reminds me a lot of people upset in 2001 that we were scrapping the west coast offense and going to the Coryell. I mean, we had all these players, and they'd had some degree of success, so why were we changing to a completely different offensive system that nobody on the roster fit? That's how it is right now changing from the 4-3 to the 3-4.

There are some differences, obviously, Dorsey being one of them - there was no equivalent offensive player to him in 2001 - but all-in-all I can't really get upset that we're switching to a 3-4. Because I've been watching the 4-3 fail here for a decade. Maybe another direction is exactly what they need. And really, what are they losing?

As for Cassel, I didn't want to bring him here, but I understand why they did. And he's about as close to a QBotF as you could possibly get via a trade.

Dorsey, definitely. It's arguable that you could also be losing both Flowers and Carr unless you run a 3-4 Cover 3 shell like Pittsburgh does.

Start from a 0 point. What do we have to fit a 3-4 of value? Nothing.
What do we have to fit a 4-3 of value? A guy who most people believe has Warren Sapp potential.

Does the 3-4 give you a natural advantage over the 4-3 in the NFL?

No. Stats bear this out.

Why then, make the switch?

I said it in another thread. I'm not putting Chris Paul in the Triangle, or making Tim Lincecum a pitch to contact guy. Why waste Dorsey?

If you want a less proven player analogy, how would you feel if the Royals brought up Mike Moustakas, moved him to second base, and told him to be nothing but a slap hitter to the opposite field?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

This means absolutely nothing.

NFL defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pac 10 defense

You could have put 15 quarterbacks in that offense last year and gotten similar, or better returns.

ChiefsCountry · 03-02-2009, 11:13 AM

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Why then, make the switch?

Its bc they have a raging hard on for the 3-4 and they think its the only way to go.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its bc they have a raging hard on for the 3-4 and they think its the only way to go.

You mean like they have a raging hardon for bringing in QB's they are familiar with so they can have fast turnarounds to win 9 games?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You mean like they have a raging hardon for bringing in QB's they are familiar with so they can have fast turnarounds to win 9 games?

ChiefsCountry · 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM

All hail Pioli, never question him at all.

Molitoth · 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM

Only top 10 pick QB's win Super Bowls, didn't you know?

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM

Personally I find it to be a sadder state that we have fans on the forum that actually think it's funny and mock us "haha we got Cassell what about Stafford and Sanchez now bitches!"

It must be nice to wish shitty things to the team to spite other posters.

keg in kc · 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Why then, make the switch?

I said it in another thread. I'm not putting Chris Paul in the Triangle, or making Tim Lincecum a pitch to contact guy. Why waste Dorsey?

If you want a less proven player analogy, how would you feel if the Royals brought up Mike Moustakas, moved him to second base, and told him to be nothing but a slap hitter to the opposite field?

All I'm saying is why not. There's not a whole lot of positives to point to for why they'd even want to hang onto a 4-3. 3 or 4 players, maybe.

And we don't know that Dorsey will be wasted. I'm sure getting as much production of him as possible will be a major focus, because he's on the books for an awful lot of money the next few years.

Flowers is I think a bigger question. He's definitely a cover-2 corner, so it's going to be interesting to see how they incorporate him.

Anyway, these guys are paid a lot of money to figure this stuff out, and I kind of want to see what they do before I start citing passages from the book of revelations. It may not be as bad as you think. Or it may. Kind of hard to tell right now.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 11:19 AM

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All hail Pioli, never question him at all.

That whole thing really gets on my nerves...if this doesn't work I'm going to say a bunch of really nasty shit about him. Because he's already done 2 things I think aren't exactly smart.

**buddha** · 03-02-2009, 11:21 AM

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and like 40 pounds heavier.

40 pounds FATTER.

I see Fridge Perry when I watch Raji. Is that worth the third pick in the draft? Hell no. Dude could easily eat his way out of the league in a couple of years...has been known to happen, and he's half way there already.

Hamas gets to be the guy who pisses on everything up front and then feels he has the "see, I told you so" privileges down the road.

The sky isn't falling and we gave up a 2nd round pick. Where is the risk in this scenario?

Molitoth · 03-02-2009, 11:22 AM

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That whole thing really gets on my nerves...if this doesn't work I'm going to say a bunch of really nasty shit about him. Because he's already done 2 things I think aren't exactly smart.

Send him Mecca's guide to winning a Super Bowl... I'm sure that will put him in check.

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