Chiefs sign Mike Brown

[tomahawk kid]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1272358.html

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by billay

So whos the odd man out? Mcgraw or Morgan? Haley said they will keep 2 guys for specail teams.

Is that a serious question?

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Mcgraw.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

So whos the odd man out? Mcgraw or Morgan? Haley said they will keep 2 guys for specail teams.

No way will it be Morgan.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Is that a serious question?

Yea. I mean Pollard should be on special teams hes damn good at special teams. We just drafted Morgan last year he'd be like the 3rd or 4th guy from last years draft to be cut. McGraw only plays special teams so if you can get a guy who plays special teams and is a good backup he should be on the team.

[evolve27]

Originally Posted by RustShack

A healthy Brown is the best safety on our team. A hurt Brown still brings more leadership to the sidelines than a healthy McGraw.

I think so too.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by billay

Yea. I mean Pollard should be on special teams hes damn good at special teams. We just drafted Morgan last year he'd be like the 3rd or 4th guy from last years draft to be cut. McGraw only plays special teams so if you can get a guy who plays special teams and is a good backup he should be on the team.

Pollard is a ST's stand out where McGraw isn't, hes just a ST's player. Pollard isn't a cover two safety like McGraw is either. Pollard needs to be used like Adrian Wilson(I'm in no way saying his that good), and since we have the guy who coached Wilson I think its safe to assume he will use Pollard in that role also. Pollard blows McGraw away, I think Page would be the next to go before Pollard or Morgan even.

[DJ's left nut]

With the NFL printing money and us being nowhere near the salary cap "Risk/reward" doesn't actually exist.

There's NO risk here. If he busts completely, Clark Hunt spent a few bucks he didn't have to. Who cares? It's not your money and with the money that flows around the NFL these days, that money isn't going to effect your parking, concession or ticket prices one bit.

Maybe he stays healthy, tutors the young kids and makes some plays. If he does, he'll have been a great pickup. Maybe he blows out his ACL on the first day of training camp. If he does, who gives a crap?

It's a zero downside move, good on the Chiefs for making it.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

With the NFL printing money and us being nowhere near the salary cap "Risk/reward" doesn't actually exist.

There's NO risk here. If he busts completely, Clark Hunt spent a few bucks he didn't have to. Who cares? It's not your money and with the money that flows around the NFL these days, that money isn't going to effect your parking, concession or ticket prices one bit.

Maybe he stays healthy, tutors the young kids and makes some plays. If he does, he'll have been a great pickup. Maybe he blows out his ACL on the first day of training camp. If he does, who gives a crap?

It's a zero downside move, good on the Chiefs for making it.

I agree.

The Chiefs have boatloads to spend and this was a wise move.

[TRR]

I always made fun of my friends who are Bears fans because Mike Brown could NEVER stay healthy. He is (injury wise) the Brodie Croyle of safeties. The problem with him is that the Bears counted on him to be in their lineup every year with not much of a plan in place if he wasn't. If Brown does end up starting in KC, at least we have some young talent with starting experience behind him.

I like the move. I think he will bring some veteran and Super Bowl experience to KC. And he isn't ancient for a safety (31). If they count on him to hold up throughout an entire season...it won't happen. We would be lucky to see him make it through training camp/preseason without an injury.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No. And he also requested a trade because he wasn't just handed the starting gig in 2007.

Did you just start following the Chiefs in 2009?

Again, what the **** does wanting to start have anything to do with mentorship? Yes, Green wanted to start, but NOTHING indicates that this affected his relationship with Croyle. Everything I have seen indicates that the three were all pretty close to each other.

Did Green help Croyle? Yes. Did he teach Croyle things along the way? Undoubtedly. Did Croyle learn a lot by watching Green practice, play, and probably sit in the film room to learn from Green? Undoubtedly.

You are arguing an entirely different issue. The argument isn't about whether Green was an upstanding player. It was whether his presence on the Chiefs was a positive influence on young players. And to prove your point, you're completely fabricating these made-up stories about how Trent Green was this stubborn veteran that refused to help any young players and that young players refused to listen to him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Again, what the **** does wanting to start have anything to do with mentorship? Yes, Green wanted to start, but NOTHING indicates that this affected his relationship with Croyle. Everything I have seen indicates that the three were all pretty close to each other.

Did Green help Croyle? Yes. Did he teach Croyle things along the way? Undoubtedly. Did Croyle learn a lot by watching Green practice, play, and probably sit in the film room to learn from Green? Undoubtedly.

You are arguing an entirely different issue. The argument isn't about whether Green was an upstanding player. It was whether his presence on the Chiefs was a positive influence on young players. And to prove your point, you're completely fabricating these made-up stories about how Trent Green was this stubborn veteran that refused to help any young players and that young players refused to listen to him.

Mr. Verbose strikes again.

Apparently, you don't read any articles or digest anything that's said in the media or by Mr. Green himself. Someone else here quoted Green as saying "That's what coaches are for".

I'm sick of you. You're going on ignore. Bye-Bye.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

With the NFL printing money and us being nowhere near the salary cap "Risk/reward" doesn't actually exist.

There's NO risk here. If he busts completely, Clark Hunt spent a few bucks he didn't have to. Who cares? It's not your money and with the money that flows around the NFL these days, that money isn't going to effect your parking, concession or ticket prices one bit.

Maybe he stays healthy, tutors the young kids and makes some plays. If he does, he'll have been a great pickup. Maybe he blows out his ACL on the first day of training camp. If he does, who gives a crap?

It's a zero downside move, good on the Chiefs for making it.

Unless there was a signing bonus involved, Clark Hunt didn't spend a dime.

These guys don't get paid until the season starts and even then, it's a weekly game check.

They don't get paid 52 weeks out of the year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

Yea. I mean Pollard should be on special teams hes damn good at special teams. We just drafted Morgan last year he'd be like the 3rd or 4th guy from last years draft to be cut. McGraw only plays special teams so if you can get a guy who plays special teams and is a good backup he should be on the team.

Apparently, you aren't familiar with DaJuan Morgan.

I don't think there's anyway this guy is cut. Traded? Maybe. But cut?

No way.

And it pisses me off to no end that Erik Walden is impressing Bill Parcells, yet the Chiefs cut him during the season last year. He may turn into a very solid pass rusher.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently, you aren't familiar with DaJuan Morgan.

I don't think there's anyway this guy is cut. Traded? Maybe. But cut?

No way.

And it pisses me off to no end that Erik Walden is impressing Bill Parcells, yet the Chiefs cut him during the season last year. He may turn into a very solid pass rusher.

Walden played very well on special teams last year. I was very surprised to see him cut by KC.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TRR

Walden played very well on special teams last year. I was very surprised to see him cut by KC.

Yeah, that was a drag.

He would have been perfect as an outside 3-4 linebacker in this scheme. He was a fairly decent pass rusher at Middle Tennessee State and definitely has some speed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html


"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL.

And your entire argument hinges on an opinion made by Warren Sapp and about the followership of Vince Young.

You have stories about Tony G teaching receivers routes and sitting down with Tyler Thigpen VOLUNTARILY to tutor the kid. You have stories of Cassel shadowing Brady and developing the same work ethic. You have stories of young players shadowing Cassel's strong workout regimen. You have stories about LJ throwing a shit-fit after T-Rich was traded. Are you really going to suggest that good leaders don't affect young players? I take a lot more stock in these stories than one opinion by a player who has a reputation for being an asshole.

No, not all veterans are great leaders (Favre) and not all young players are great listeners (Young). But it's a really tough argument to make that solid veterans have no effect whatsoever in helping out young players.