Chiefs Chiefs sign Mike Brown

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-24-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...t&lid=tab6pos2

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html

"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL.

MOhillbilly · 06-24-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html

"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL. I remember being in Tampa last year to do a story for SI on Brooks playing Adrian Peterson and the Vikings, and I thought at least one of the young linebackers, Barrett Ruud, tried to siphon off Brooks' knowledge.

warren sapp is a dick. vince young is crazy.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-24-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

warren sapp is a dick. vince young is crazy.

What does your cousin think of this "Older player mentoring young players" business?

Has it ever been a topic of discussion?

I'm sure he'd have some interesting and accurate insight.

MOhillbilly · 06-24-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What does your cousin think of this "Older player mentoring young players" business?

Has it ever been a topic of discussion?

I'm sure he'd have some interesting and accurate insight.

which cousin? I know gregg drags pierson prioleau around with him for mentoring. I know the skins players mentored each other and i know gregg has brought in players he coached on his staff to coach his LBs in washington.
Both my cousins were mentored by shawn taylor.
I think it depends on the teaching strength of the staff and it all comes down from the top.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-24-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

which cousin? I know gregg drags pierson prioleau around with him for mentoring. I know the skins players mentored each other and i know gregg has brought in players he coached on his staff to coach his LBs in washington.
Both my cousins were mentored by shawn taylor.
I think it depends on the teaching strength of the staff and it all comes down from the top.

Thanks!

Just Passin' By · 06-24-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

The article was written last year, when Mayo was a rookie.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-24-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html

"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL.

And your entire argument hinges on an opinion made by Warren Sapp and about the followership of Vince Young.

You have stories about Tony G teaching receivers routes and sitting down with Tyler Thigpen VOLUNTARILY to tutor the kid. You have stories of Cassel shadowing Brady and developing the same work ethic. You have stories of young players shadowing Cassel's strong workout regimen. You have stories about LJ throwing a shit-fit after T-Rich was traded. Are you really going to suggest that good leaders don't affect young players? I take a lot more stock in these stories than one opinion by a player who has a reputation for being an asshole.

No, not all veterans are great leaders (Favre) and not all young players are great listeners (Young). But it's a really tough argument to make that solid veterans have no effect whatsoever in helping out young players.