Allen is going to outsack the Chiefs

[OctoberFart]

Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Coach

That, and we didn't really have a "great playoff" coach on top of it.

Still though, had things been different, the 95 or 97 Chiefs team would had been the exception to the rule.

I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

totally wasnt meant to be.

as much as i dont think marty is the right coach to have in the playoffs, i must admit he does experience alot of misfortune. things that happen that are beyond his control.

i.e., Byner fumbling on the Denver 2 yard line in the 86 playoffs, elliot missing 3 FGs in the 95 playoffs.

oh well i guess when you dont win, you really dont have any luck to go with it either. When it rains, it can pour.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RedThat

totally wasnt meant to be.

as much as i dont think marty is the right coach to have in the playoffs, i must admit he does experience alot of misfortune. things that happen that are beyond his control.

i.e., Byner fumbling on the Denver 2 yard line in the 86 playoffs, elliot missing 3 FGs in the 95 playoffs.

oh well i guess when you dont win, you really dont have any luck to go with it either. When it rains, it can pour.

Losing to Herm Edwards in overtime in your home stadium is more embarrassing than any defeat he ever suffered.

That was probably the most painful playoff game I've ever watched. Two coaches that coached the game "not to lose".

Pathetic.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Losing to Herm Edwards in overtime in your home stadium is more embarrassing than any defeat he ever suffered.

That was probably the most painful playoff game I've ever watched. Two coaches that coached the game "not to lose".

Pathetic.

When he lost to Herm in the playoffs, that pretty much is the icing on the cake that he isnt the coach to have in the playoffs. lol

sorry marty.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If I could start an expansion team today and select one player off of any team, Roethlisberger might well be my selection.

Without Question. I would consider Drew Brees up there as well.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Coach

Without Question. I would consider Drew Brees up there as well.

Too old and too small.

Great QB.

But my next choice might be Rivers.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Too old and too small.

Great QB.

But my next choice might be Rivers.

Too old? I wasn't aware that 30 years old was considered "Too Old." If that's too old, then I'd be curious to see what is Kurt Warner is....

While he is a tad undersized, you cannot question his skills. It's difficult to imagine any QB playing better than Brees did last year. He came within 1 long completion of breaking Marino's record of 5,084 passing yards in a season. He also lead the league in 4 passing categories and ranked in the top 4 of four others. And all of this with most of his primary weapons sidelined with injuries for significan stretches.

His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Coach

His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

IMO, Drew Brees is Trent Green, Jake Delhomme and Mark Brunnel.

And unfortunately, those guys don't win the Super Bowl.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by RedThat

...Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if a lot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations...

Jay Cutler.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And the counter-argument is that Chiefs fans are too used to nutting themselves over O-line play, to the point of utter stupidity.

For example, how many people argued that we should take a RT, a right mother****ing tackle, with the #3 overall pick?

Here's the bottom line, if you get one LT and one pass rusher and you know that one can be only serviceable and one can be elite, the choice should be obvious: an elite pass rusher is a game changer, whereas an elite LT is a luxury.

As milkman has said several times, give me a franchise QB and a top ten D, and I'll show you a successful team.

A top ten defense is more than just a pass rusher.

And, to be fair, the Pats have had great teams without a great pass rusher.

As others have pointed out, it is about balance.

The good news is that it is easier to find good pass rushers in the 3-4..... so, douche fartcloud should be happy soon.

[Chiefnj2]

You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.

In the end, Dorsey fits this scheme better than Allen would. And, the Chiefs got Albert.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Coach

Too old? I wasn't aware that 30 years old was considered "Too Old." If that's too old, then I'd be curious to see what is Kurt Warner is....

While he is a tad undersized, you cannot question his skills. It's difficult to imagine any QB playing better than Brees did last year. He came within 1 long completion of breaking Marino's record of 5,084 passing yards in a season. He also lead the league in 4 passing categories and ranked in the top 4 of four others. And all of this with most of his primary weapons sidelined with injuries for significan stretches.

His quick release, excellent footwork, and uncanny feel for the pocket makes him a difficult sack, which translates into that he rarely put the Saints in a unfavorable down-and-distance scenerios.

I like Brees a lot. Loved him coming out of college, and, prior to this last draft class, he was the last QB whom I really, really wanted the Chiefs to select.

So, I agree with most if not all of the qualities you've listed above. While he's not Manning or Brady, he's still damn good. It's just at this point in his career, he wouldn't be my choice.

I'd be looking for a little bit young guy, with more of a prototypical frame to withstand the abuse that what would almost certainly be a complete shit O-line would hand out.

[Consistent1]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I like Brees a lot. Loved him coming out of college, and, prior to this last draft class, he was the last QB whom I really, really wanted the Chiefs to select.

So, I agree with most if not all of the qualities you've listed above. While he's not Manning or Brady, he's still damn good. It's just at this point in his career, he wouldn't be my choice.

I'd be looking for a little bit young guy, with more of a prototypical frame to withstand the abuse that what would almost certainly be a complete shit O-line would hand out.

Brees is a excellent QB whose skills would translate to pretty much any team/system. Your earlier point about taking Big Ben to start a team is kind of shaky to me. Yes, he is a proven. Yes, he has two rings. However, that D in Pitt is always tough (O-Line also) and they have a strong tradition. Outstanding player in many ways who is on the right team. Throw him on some team that needs to rack up the passing stats to stay in games and he wouldn't do quite as well IMO. I know this is an old thread and I didn't read all of it....the bottom line is that Allen is long gone and wanted it that way.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

In the end, Dorsey fits this scheme better than Allen would. And, the Chiefs got Albert.

There may have been no need to switch the scheme if you kept Allen and had a DL of Hali/Tyler/Dorsey/Allen.

Saying the Chiefs got Albert for Allen isn't the complete picture because KC still needs to replace Allen and find a pass rusher.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You don't trade away franchise DEs or franchise OT's. You don't swap them. You keep both of them.

Exactly, the JA deal still pisses me off. Also, I will always believe that Willie Roaf retired because of Herm ****ing Edwards idiocy towards the offense.