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Old 12-16-2009, 04:51 PM   #1
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I'm not saying I prefer Maclin or Crabtree. I'm saying it's stupid to limit your WR choices to only fit your current QB's strengths.

You're asking them to dumb down or slow down the WRs they draft because at the moment we have a QB incapable of an accurate long ball. Well what happens if Cassel breaks his arm the first game and we insert a QB who prefers the long ball? Then we're stuck with a WR who can't beat his guy because we only signed slow receivers due to the last QB's ineptness.
ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.
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Old 12-16-2009, 04:59 PM   #2
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ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.
And when you don't have any strengths, you take the most talented player at an impact position.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:12 PM   #3
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And when you don't have any strengths, you take the most talented player at an impact position.
Crabtree and Maclin both came from the spread and Crabtree just had ungodly numbers in it. Like 40tds in 2 years

I wanted Orakpo and feel he or Crabtree would have drastically upgraded our team. DRASTICALLY

I still cant fathom how much this board hated Orakpo, before I showed up here I thought he would be the consensus favorite of the board. I wish I would have spoken up about him more, but I was kinda intimidated because of the consensus hatred for him here and was still (and kinda am to some here) an outsider.

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What was the "selling case" of why the hatred ran so deep for him? Had to be more than "because he was from Texas and he sucks"

Oh well...
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:16 PM   #4
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Crabtree and Maclin both came from the spread and Crabtree just had ungodly numbers in it. Like 40tds in 2 years

I wanted Orakpo and feel he or Crabtree would have drastically upgraded our team. DRASTICALLY

I still cant fathom how much this board hated Orakpo, before I showed up here I thought he would be the consensus favorite of the board. I wish I would have spoken up about him more, but I was kinda intimidated because of the consensus hatred for him here and was still (and kinda am to some here) an outsider.

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What was the "selling case" of why the hatred ran so deep for him? Had to be more than "because he was from Texas and he sucks"

Oh well...
I wanted nothing to do with Orapko because Texas players have not translated well to the NFL in recent years. Far too many busts.

The fact is that Orapko plays on a pretty good defense with a decent push up front. He may or may not continue at this pace but to date, he's been a very solid pass rusher.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:17 PM   #5
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Crabtree and Maclin both came from the spread and Crabtree just had ungodly numbers in it. Like 40tds in 2 years

I wanted Orakpo and feel he or Crabtree would have drastically upgraded our team. DRASTICALLY

I still cant fathom how much this board hated Orakpo, before I showed up here I thought he would be the consensus favorite of the board. I wish I would have spoken up about him more, but I was kinda intimidated because of the consensus hatred for him here and was still (and kinda am to some here) an outsider.

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What was the "selling case" of why the hatred ran so deep for him? Had to be more than "because he was from Texas and he sucks"
Oh well...
That was it for the most part. The local gurus said Texas players don't live up to their hype and everyone got on board. I kind of went with'em on it.

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Old 12-16-2009, 05:22 PM   #6
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That was it for the most part. The local gurus said Texas players don't live up to there hype and everyone got on board. I kind of went with'em on it.

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The proof is in the pudding.

Guys like DJ, Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, VY (until 7 games in this season), etc. haven't exactly set the league on fire.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:26 PM   #7
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The proof is in the pudding.

Guys like DJ, Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, VY (until 7 games in this season), etc. haven't exactly set the league on fire.

There's is evidence to support it no doubt.

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Old 12-16-2009, 05:34 PM   #8
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The proof is in the pudding.

Guys like DJ, Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, VY (until 7 games in this season), etc. haven't exactly set the league on fire.
I dont understand the hatred for Vince Young either. That kid has taken his team on his back twice and ran them into the playoffs (if they make it this year.) He has single-handedly taken over games with his athleticism and is growing as all young qbs do. His ability to be elusive late in games has won many games that wouldnt have been wins otherwise.
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I dont understand the hatred for Vince Young either. That kid has taken his team on his back twice and ran them into the playoffs (if they make it this year.) He has single-handedly taken over games with his athleticism and is growing as all young qbs do. His ability to be elusive late in games has won many games that wouldnt have been wins otherwise.
Pretty decent "if" there. .

The distrust stems from the fact that he has a textbook throwing motion and impeccable mechanics.
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I dont understand the hatred for Vince Young either. That kid has taken his team on his back twice and ran them into the playoffs (if they make it this year.) He has single-handedly taken over games with his athleticism and is growing as all young qbs do. His ability to be elusive late in games has won many games that wouldnt have been wins otherwise.
Hatred?

I wouldn't go that far.

But he had a very weird delivery in college. He had a severe mental breakdown that led him sit on the bench last season, while Kerry Collins QB'd the team for a 14-2 record.

He's looked very impressive the past 7 weeks but that's all it is: 7 weeks out of nearly four seasons.

If the Chiefs had drafted him (which they wouldn't have because the earth would cease to exist if the Chiefs drafted a QB in the first round), he'd have been cut after year three.
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I dont understand the hatred for Vince Young either. That kid has taken his team on his back twice and ran them into the playoffs (if they make it this year.) He has single-handedly taken over games with his athleticism and is growing as all young qbs do. His ability to be elusive late in games has won many games that wouldnt have been wins otherwise.
Uh, you might have mis-remembered, there.

Just because the media was determined to make him the greatest thing ever, doesn't mean he was.

The defense that year was responsible for a ridiculous number of points, and we're reason 1 why that team made the playoffs.

I vague remember a game where VY had thrown for under 100 yards, and a few INT's - and Tennessee won the game because they had 2-3 defensive TD's and/or a ST touchdown.
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ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.
No, you're not. You're saying build to the strength of only your current QB.

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It is far from ridiculous my friend. What good is it to draft a playmaking WR that his specialty is speed when we just traded for and signed to a long deal a qb that struggles mightily with the deep ball?
That QB could be replaced. Then we'd have a QB who doesn't struggle with the long ball, but still no WR with speed enough to stretch the field. And still no return man to field kicks.

Give the most important position on the offense the best and most versatile weapons available. That includes a WR with speed. One who could also return kicks would be a great asset at the moment. We have a big slow possession WR already in Bowe. Compliment that with other skills... like speeeeeed....
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:16 PM   #13
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ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.
They could make plays to suit the strengths of both. Just because a guy is fast doesn't mean Cassel can't hit him on a crossing route. Then if a big arm QB comes in they could be a deep threat. I don't believe you take the slower guy just because Cassel can't throw downfield.
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