Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 30

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Like this:

4/24/2009

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=24

would you rethink that after seeing.....oh....say....1 pass of over 30 yards by Mr. Cassel?

That Crabtree guy would look awfully good right now in Red n Gold...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The only problem I had with Maclin is he always seemed to get hurt at MU and he has been hurt a couple times already this year.

Always "hurt".

Dude blew out his ACL at MU as a true freshman. Other than that, he never missed a game.

Yes, he left last week's game with plantar fasciitis.

If he doesn't play this week it'll be his first missed action due to injury since his freshman year of college when suffering a catastrophic knee injury.

He's a regular Yatil Green, that guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

would you rethink that after seeing.....oh....say....1 pass of over 30 yards by Mr. Cassel?

That Crabtree guy would look awfully good right now in Red n Gold...

Absolutely not.

Maclin made a career at Mizzou with a limp armed QB.

He'd be the perfect compliment for this passing game b/c of his game breaking ability. Every time you throw a short pass to him it's like giving the ball to a PR in space.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Always "hurt".

Dude blew out his ACL at MU as a true freshman. Other than that, he never missed a game.

Yes, he left last week's game with plantar fasciitis.

If he doesn't play this week it'll be his first missed action due to injury since his freshman year of college when suffering a catastrophic knee injury.

He's a regular Yatil Green, that guy.

It maybe perception more than reality. Ever time I watched him the last 2 years he always seemed to get up gimpy in games and sit out a few plays. It just seemed like he was dinged up all the time.

Also for some reason I thought he missed some time earlier this season but I guess I was wrong.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

I don't think that limiting the offensive weapons to what the present QB is comfortable with or capable of is a very good long term plan for building a great football team.

Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO

Extra Point · 12-16-2009, 04:23 PM

Here's an excuse: 150% improvement in our record, vs. last season! WOOT!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO

Yeah, a rookie receiver from a spread offense coming in and giving you a projected 60 catches, 5 TDs and 800 yards is really something to bitch about.

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO

They've lost more games with Crabtree than without Crabtree.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, a rookie receiver from a spread offense coming in and giving you a projected 60 catches, 5 TDs and 800 yards is really something to bitch about.

They were both from spreads, its just one has a much bigger frame and the other is much faster/quicker

crabtree (Alex Smith/Shaun Hill)

8 games
37 catches
12.8/catch
473 yards
2 tds
59.1 per game

Maclin (McNabb/Kolb)

11
46
623
13.5/catch
4 tds
56.6 per game

They actually match up better than I thought.

Should be interesting to see how their careers play out, as it seems it may be more interesting than how our teams will...

I guess I just think that with Cassel obviously cemented in here for a couple more years, Crabtree could have done more for us, I may be wrong

Fish · 12-16-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Why?

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that Maclin will be a better player and more valuable to his teams success than Crabtree? If so, its ok, I do disagree though.

You can watch Crabtree play and he has that "it" factor.

I think he will be a all pro.

Maclin hasnt showed that so far. IMO

I'm not saying I prefer Maclin or Crabtree. I'm saying it's stupid to limit your WR choices to only fit your current QB's strengths.

You're asking them to dumb down or slow down the WRs they draft because at the moment we have a QB incapable of an accurate long ball. Well what happens if Cassel breaks his arm the first game and we insert a QB who prefers the long ball? Then we're stuck with a WR who can't beat his guy because we only signed slow receivers due to the last QB's ineptness.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-16-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Im saying dont put the cart before the horse. Understand how much sense that makes?

When you have a team already built, you can afford to spend on a luxury pick, quick twitch wr. But you dont take that Santonio Holmes that high till you have the Steelers type team...you dont take Percy Harvin till you have a complete team like the Vikings...

Plenty of wideouts gardner a high pick while rebuilding, wrs like Crabtree, Calvin, Fitz, ya know...big guys that are legitimate matchup threats against smaller defenders around the red zone and inside the 10...guys that can develop into great blockers because of their frames, not just a fraile guy that is lightening quick and can beat 1 on 1 matchups.

Maclin would be a nice finishing touch, but wouldnt impact games for us as much as Crabtree of Orakpo could have. IMHO of course...

Completely agree. These guys are more specialists than anything. If we're talking playmakers, I'd much rather the multi-tooled playmaker than the one-dimensional one.

It's like the Nose Tackle position. That's a guy who will give you a big boost, but won't be an every-down player. A pure speed guy is the same way and that's why they usually aren't taken in the top 10. Because you're right, in order to get mileage out of your speed guy, you have to have the QB who can deliver it to him and you have to have the o-line that can give him the time to get off bumps and get open downfield.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2009, 04:45 PM

FWIW, Maclin would also be our KR/PR on this team. That can't be ignored.

Just because Desean Jackson is doing it for Philly doesn't mean that Maclin couldn't do it for us.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

I'm not saying I prefer Maclin or Crabtree. I'm saying it's stupid to limit your WR choices to only fit your current QB's strengths.

You're asking them to dumb down or slow down the WRs they draft because at the moment we have a QB incapable of an accurate long ball. Well what happens if Cassel breaks his arm the first game and we insert a QB who prefers the long ball? Then we're stuck with a WR who can't beat his guy because we only signed slow receivers due to the last QB's ineptness.

ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-16-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are two types of Chiefsplanet forum members:

1. The type of fan who lives in Reality. They see the franchise as it exists outside of the vacuum. They see poor ownership, poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and no direction. They see the flaws and point them out.

2. The type of fan who lives in Fantasy. Regardless of the fact that the Chiefs haven't won a meaningful game in 40 years, missed the playoffs for 15 straight years and haven't won a playoff game in 16 years, the Chiefs can do NO wrong.

I just hope that the Chiefs cheerleaders in Fantasy Land are much hotter than they are in reality.

Members who think the Chiefs can do no right are just as bad as those who think they can do no wrong.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

ummmmm what?

Im saying you build to your strengths. Period.

And when you don't have any strengths, you take the most talented player at an impact position.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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