Chiefs Screw you Cassel - Page 6

chiefs1111 · 12-13-2009, 03:06 PM

I know Chambers still has too catch that pass but Cassel was awful today. Screw you Matt,Screw you!!!!!!!

**doomy3** · 12-20-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Oh, he's wildly inaccurate, too. Whatever his faults, I doubt he goes anywhere next year but we had better be looking for a serious upgrade for the near future. I don't want this clown starting in 2011.

Eh, I'm definitely willing to give him another year. Hopefully we upgrade some positions this offseason. It would be nice if we actually have a group of receivers that doesn't change every single week during the season as well. I'm not sure I've EVER seen a team that juggled receivers and TEs like this team has. Hard to have any kind of continuity with that. Same could be said for offensive line. How many different combinations have we had at O-line this year.

Look, I'm not saying Cassel is or isn't the answer at this point. I was, and still am, a supporter of him obviously, but even the biggest Cassel critic has to admit that this has been some sort of perfect storm as far as things that could hinder a QB's productivity.

From the start of the season, we have:

a different starting tailback
a different starting fullback
a different starting flanker
our split end, and best playmaker, missed 4 games in the middle of the year, and missed time due to injury earlier in the year IIRC
a different starting slot receiver
a different starting tight end
a different starting right tackle
a different starting right guard

and these are all just different starters from the beginning of the year. Continuity does count for something in the passing game. I'm not claiming in any way that many of the changes haven't been significant upgrades that should help Cassel (ie. Charles, Chambers), but it is hard to develop continuity with so many in-season offseason changes.

This doesn't even count our dumbass HC waiting until the week of the first game to fire the offensive coordinator and scrapping the playbook that he had spent all of last offseason learning and working with.

**doomy3** · 12-20-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Cassel doesn't have terrible arm strength...he just has no semblance of touch, accuracy, or trajectory when throwing deep.

He's either rearing back and chucking it 5 yards past the WR, or lobbing a fly ball. I don't get it.

Yep. And if there isn't significant improvement with the deep ball this offseason going into next year, then I think the QB position should be a priority.

Pablo · 12-20-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Do you think he didn't have a good game? 300 yards. Two TD's. 55% completion. Supposedly was the victim of many drops as usual.

Just don't see much wrong with that performance.

He had a pretty solid game. Nothing awe-inspiring, and at least three total WTF throws, but if you're judging by the stat-line alone he had a good day.

Probably should have been more like 23/30 or so really.

Mecca · 12-20-2009, 06:35 PM

When you lollypop a long throw know what that means...your arm is weak.

Pablo · 12-20-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Yep. And if there isn't significant improvement with the deep ball this offseason going into next year, then I think the QB position should be a priority.

I honestly don't know what can make a QB's deep ball so widely varied...

Is it footwork, release points, a combo of the two or what?

Because sometimes he'll throw like 40 yards with decent zip and go right over the wideout, and another time he'll throw 30 yards straight up into the sun.

Mecca · 12-20-2009, 06:37 PM

It's a mixture of not being an accurate passer and not having an overly strong arm.

**doomy3** · 12-20-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I honestly don't know what can make a QB's deep ball so widely varied...

Is it footwork, release points, a combo of the two or what?

Because sometimes he'll throw like 40 yards with decent zip and go right over the wideout, and another time he'll throw 30 yards straight up into the sun.

I think it's release point, usually. That, and opening up too much with your front foot instead of stepping into your throw. When your shoulders open up too much, you're throwing with all arm instead of using your legs. With Cassel, I think he still doesn't trust/understand his pocket, so sometimes, he isn't stepping into his throw at all.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-20-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's a mixture of not being an accurate passer and not having an overly strong arm.

I agree, he doesn't have a strong arm. But, neither does Matt Ryan. Neither does Mark Sanchez. If that is a factor for you, then I don't understand your love of these two guys with average arm strength.

Mecca · 12-20-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I agree, he doesn't have a strong arm. But, neither does Matt Ryan. Neither does Mark Sanchez. If that is a factor for you, then I don't understand your love of these two guys with average arm strength.

They're more accurate passers than Cassel is.

**doomy3** · 12-20-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They're more accurate passers than Cassel is.

I think it's a bit early to make that proclamation about Sanchez. He has been far from accurate this year.

Pablo · 12-20-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I agree, he doesn't have a strong arm. But, neither does Matt Ryan. Neither does Mark Sanchez. If that is a factor for you, then I don't understand your love of these two guys with average arm strength.

Sanchez has a stronger arm than Ryan or Cassel.

Cassel has similar arm strength to Phillip Rivers. Which isn't amazing, but it's definitely serviceable.

Only Rivers has worked on his wind-up deep ball delivery and can throw it deep accurately.

Mecca · 12-20-2009, 06:43 PM

Cassel makes just about anyone look accurate, he's so wildly inconsistent with it you don't know what throw you are getting from play to play.

**doomy3** · 12-20-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Sanchez has a stronger arm than Ryan or Cassel.

Cassel has similar arm strength to Phillip Rivers. Which isn't amazing, but it's definitely serviceable.

Only Rivers has worked on his wind-up deep ball delivery and can throw it deep accurately.

That's definitely debatable.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-20-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cassel makes just about anyone look accurate, he's so wildly inconsistent with it you don't know what throw you are getting from play to play.

Then that should be your gripe... not that he doesn't have a strong arm.

I am far from 'impressed' with him. But, I also think he isn't nearly as bad as some on this board think.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-20-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Sanchez has a stronger arm than Ryan or Cassel.

Cassel has similar arm strength to Phillip Rivers. Which isn't amazing, but it's definitely serviceable.

Only Rivers has worked on his wind-up deep ball delivery and can throw it deep accurately.

I don't think Sanchez has a stronger arm in the least.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	It's a mixture of not being an accurate passer and not having an overly strong arm.
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