ESPN - Crennel likely to join Chiefs

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ok, let's break it down, Dr. Jack Ramsey style:

Crennel coordinated Ds in New England, where he had a back 7 that had Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, and Mike Vrabel, who were all like coaches on the field. Not to mention the fact that he had Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Dick Seymour, Ted Johnson, and on and on and on.

Now, combine that with the fact that his boss was a legendary DC whose gameplan from SB XXV is in the ****ing HOF and who keeps the longest hours in the game.

Then, add on our new DC's 4 years of coaching in Cleveland, where he never fielded a decent defense with talent comparable to that in Kansas City.

Where is the evidence to suggest that he'll do well, other than the osmosis theory, which we assumed would work for Scott Pioli, Eric Mangini, Crennel himself once, and McDaniels??

Where is the evidence to suggest that he won't do it well? You're making the argument that Patriots coordinators don't make good coaches, and that's probably true. They try to hard to be Bellichick when they're not.

But Mike Nolan was a horrible head coach in San Francisco and Gregg Williams was an absolute nightmare in Buffalo. How do you know Romeo won't follow in their shadow?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Where is the evidence to suggest that he won't do it well? You're making the argument that Patriots coordinators don't make good coaches, and that's probably true. They try to hard to be Bellichick when they're not.

But Mike Nolan was a horrible head coach in San Francisco and Gregg Williams was an absolute nightmare in Buffalo. How do you know Romeo won't follow in their shadow?

Crennel and Mangini installed their defensive systems where they went and failed miserably.

They didn't fail b/c of their offense, which might be understandable.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Crennel and Mangini installed their defensive systems where they went and failed miserably.

They didn't fail b/c of their offense, which might be understandable.

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

They think bcause someone failed somewhere else, they are horrible. Would anyone really have wanted BB after his stint in Cleveland? Sometimes i dont know what the **** people are thinking. The ****ed up thing about it, that in football when you are negative, your going to be more right then wrong because only a few teams actually succeed and what 70 percent of the teams arent that good.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

They think bcause someone failed somewhere else, they are horrible. Would anyone really have wanted BB after his stint in Cleveland? Sometimes i dont know what the **** people are thinking. The ****ed up thing about it, that in football when you are negative, your going to be more right then wrong because only a few teams actually succeed and what 70 percent of the teams arent that good.

Yep. Dick Labeau is a perfect example. Great D-coordinator, got a job as head coach and sucked balls and then went back to D-coordinator and won a couple of Super Bowls.

On a side note I was doing a quick read about Belichick's stint in Cleveland. The funny part was he was the offensive coordinator for 3 years along with being a head coach.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep. Dick Labeau is a perfect example. Great D-coordinator, got a job as head coach and sucked balls and then went back to D-coordinator and won a couple of Super Bowls.

On a side note I was doing a quick read about Belichick's stint in Cleveland. The funny part was he was the offensive coordinator for 3 years along with being a head coach.

Yep. Anyone that acts like Crennel would be a poor choice as defensive coordinator in our 3-4 system is just fighting desperately for their own biased agenda.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Yep. Anyone that acts like Crennel would be a poor choice as defensive coordinator in our 3-4 system is just fighting desperately for their own biased agenda.

Being a poor choice and not being the best choice are two different things.

Hell, people here thought Pendergast was a good hire because he was in the SB the year prior.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

5-11 is a good started. 4-12 is actually a good start.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

i am not so sure we win many more games with another head coach. Talent wise we are that bad. This team is like a ****ing pick and pull with its players. We have other peoples parts they didnt want anymore, but sometimes you find a good part. lol

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

Yes, there are a number of reasons. He was an offensive dipshit (see Quinn vs. Derek Anderson QB controversy). As a Head Coach, he was a lot less involved with pure defensive coaching (see Gregg Williams, Dick Lebeau, Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan). He didn't have the leadership qualities to be a good head coach (see Ron Rivera and Al Saunders, two terrific coordinators who nobody will hire to be a head coach)--and yes, that goes toward his demeanor.

A long line of really good defensive coordinators have made lousy head coaches. We don't have evidence that he'll be a good DC outside of Bellichick. I just don't understand why so many people are building a case that he'll be a bad one based on what he did in an entirely different role in Cleveland.