Chiefs ESPN - Crennel likely to join Chiefs

**DeezNutz** · 01-03-2010, 01:33 PM

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Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

kcxiv · 01-03-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

**DeezNutz** · 01-03-2010, 01:42 PM

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I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

Titty Meat · 01-03-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

5-11 is a good started. 4-12 is actually a good start.

**DeezNutz** · 01-03-2010, 01:45 PM

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5-11 is a good started. 4-12 is actually a good start.

And, most importantly, improved coaching would have obviated any discussion about whether or not there has been progress.

This off-season, I stated multiple times that we could win only 5 games in 2009 and be a VASTLY improved team.

Titty Meat · 01-03-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And, most importantly, improved coaching would have obviated any discussion about whether or not there has been progress.

This off-season, I stated multiple times that we could win only 5 games in 2009 and be a VASTLY improved team.

And you would probably say this team isn't imrpoved over last years and I would agree but I suppose the only category that matters is the Win column.

RedThat · 01-03-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.

WHY does this team have little talent?

Could it be because the Executive of the Decade brought in over 45 new players this year, and all but 2 have sucked?

All the talent on this team comes from previous regimes.

Look at recent Patriots drafts and give me a reason why you think things will be any different in KC.

Titty Meat · 01-03-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

WHY does this team have little talent?

Could it be because the Executive of the Decade brought in over 45 new players this year, and all but 2 have sucked?

All the talent on this team comes from previous regimes.

Look at recent Patriots drafts and give me a reason why you think things will be any different in KC.

But everyone said Pioli wasn't in charge of the draft it was Dmitroff and Belichek signed off on everything?

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

WHY does this team have little talent?

Could it be because the Executive of the Decade brought in over 45 new players this year, and all but 2 have sucked?

All the talent on this team comes from previous regimes.

Look at recent Patriots drafts and give me a reason why you think things will be any different in KC.

Why things "could" be different?

The Pats took a big hit when they lost Dimitroff. The Chiefs brought in a Dimitroff disciple in Phil Emery. If the scouting network does their job well, Pioli does his job well. Based on the level of scouting activity, the Chiefs are going to have a lot more in-depth scouting than this franchise has ever seen.

The piece that scares me is that the coach needs to also be very good at evaluating his players and communicating to the GM what he thinks the team needs. I don't trust Haley for one second to do that.

**DeezNutz** · 01-03-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.

Well, this team, allegedly, has some legit talent.

1. A "franchise" QB, hand picked by the GM.
2. A RB who has been second only to Chris Johnson (once LJ essentially cut himself--thanks Haley/Pioli for playing the right guy from the start!).
3. A stud CB.
4. A very talented, yet inconsistent WR.
5. Two top-5 picks on the D line.
6. A "cornerstone" in Hali.
7. A legit LT (when he isn't playing at 300 ****ing lbs.--thanks, coach!).

If we had focused on improving the o-line and had half-way decent coaching on D, while utilizing our most talented players, we win at least 2 more games this year.

I'd say the coaching was a pretty big issue.

kcxiv · 01-03-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

i am not so sure we win many more games with another head coach. Talent wise we are that bad. This team is like a ****ing pick and pull with its players. We have other peoples parts they didnt want anymore, but sometimes you find a good part. lol

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

Yes, there are a number of reasons. He was an offensive dipshit (see Quinn vs. Derek Anderson QB controversy). As a Head Coach, he was a lot less involved with pure defensive coaching (see Gregg Williams, Dick Lebeau, Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan). He didn't have the leadership qualities to be a good head coach (see Ron Rivera and Al Saunders, two terrific coordinators who nobody will hire to be a head coach)--and yes, that goes toward his demeanor.

A long line of really good defensive coordinators have made lousy head coaches. We don't have evidence that he'll be a good DC outside of Bellichick. I just don't understand why so many people are building a case that he'll be a bad one based on what he did in an entirely different role in Cleveland.