ESPN - Crennel likely to join Chiefs

[Shag]

Schefter just mentioned on ESPN Sunday Countdown that Romeo Crennel was likely to join the Chiefs as DC this offseason. Nothing concrete (or necessarily surprising), but interesting nonetheless...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Crennel and Mangini installed their defensive systems where they went and failed miserably.

They didn't fail b/c of their offense, which might be understandable.

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

[cdcox]

I really hope that this will mark the beginning of a turn-around. However, I've been waiting since we:

signed Joe Montana,
signed Steve Bono,
signed Grbac,
signed Chester McGlockton,
re-signed Dan Williams,
hired Dick Vermeil,
drafted Ryan Sims,
drafted DJ,
re-hired Gunther Cunningham,
and hired Pioli,

for a savior to come in and make a difference. I'm going to need to see a couple of seasons of real improvement before I get too excited about any hiring/signing/draft pick coming in and saving the franchise.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not entirely true.

The year after Romeo left, the Patriots ranked 17th on defense. And that became the point in time when the Patriots started to pivot toward an offensive-heavy scheme. The identity of the Patriots of today is entirely different from the identity under Romeo. Under Romeo, the Pats ran an extremely conservative offense that depended on the defense to make big plays. They put Brady in positions to win and he delivered. The defense isn't even remotely as dependable. Now the Pats rely on Brady, not the defense, to carry the team.

I don't know what the main contributor was, but most Pats' fans will tell you that the Pats' defense over the last few years isn't remotely as good as the Pats' defense that won them their first Super Bowl.

Exactly. From 2001-2004 you could always count on the Patriots defense. One of most underated of all time. The defense cost them titles in 2006 and 2007 when they allowed each Manning to drive 80 yards in the last 2 minutes
Fans of a crappy team like the Chiefs to be ragging on the possibility of The likes of Weis and Crennel coming to be coordinators astounds me. Its like some people aren't happy unless they are bitching.
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[BigMeatballDave]

I'm in favor of Crennel and Weis as coordinators. Its certainly better than we have now. I really wish we could come up with our own formula for winning instead of copying everyone else.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

They think bcause someone failed somewhere else, they are horrible. Would anyone really have wanted BB after his stint in Cleveland? Sometimes i dont know what the **** people are thinking. The ****ed up thing about it, that in football when you are negative, your going to be more right then wrong because only a few teams actually succeed and what 70 percent of the teams arent that good.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Its like some people aren't happy unless they are bitching.
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****ing bingo right there. Its not like this is anything new though.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ok, let's break it down, Dr. Jack Ramsey style:

Crennel coordinated Ds in New England, where he had a back 7 that had Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, and Mike Vrabel, who were all like coaches on the field. Not to mention the fact that he had Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Dick Seymour, Ted Johnson, and on and on and on.

Now, combine that with the fact that his boss was a legendary DC whose gameplan from SB XXV is in the ****ing HOF and who keeps the longest hours in the game.

Then, add on our new DC's 4 years of coaching in Cleveland, where he never fielded a decent defense with talent comparable to that in Kansas City.

Where is the evidence to suggest that he'll do well, other than the osmosis theory, which we assumed would work for Scott Pioli, Eric Mangini, Crennel himself once, and McDaniels??

It's obvious NE had a lot of the right pieces in place. I'd like to use this analogy, and think of building a team as trying to put a puzzle together. Its the same concept. You need all the right pieces that can properly go well together, and New England had that. They had a great coach that was a legendary DC like you were saying, of course that helps, absolutely. They had an established core of veterans, who were leaders, clutch players, and just gamers. Of course, that helps too. But most importantly, they had great team chemistry.

Now when he was the HC in Cleveland, I really don't think he had much to work with. And, you know, regardless, whether you're a good defensive coach or not, you need talent. bottomline. And Cleveland failed to address the talent on the defensive side of the ball. Not trying to make excuses for the guy, but he is only going to be as good as the talent around him. And I think that could be said for any coach. Kansas City is far from the environment he had in NE.

Crennel would be a good start. The team has so many holes as it is, and they need to take baby steps. Lets just concentrate on the baby steps first. There is room to add talent on defense which I think should be this teams number 1 priority in the offseason. I hope he is the kind of guy that could help assist in evaluating, and contribute towards selecting good defensive players. Thats what this team needs.

[Titty Meat]

Are these sources making shit up? I mean Pioli keeps everything a secret.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

[Mr. Laz]

hopefully ... then we need an OC and a QB coach

also a new DLine coach would be preferable since nearly every Dlineman has under-achieved under krumrie.

[Mr. Laz]

i wonder if we can get Herm to come back and be our DBack's coach.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

5-11 is a good started. 4-12 is actually a good start.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.