Combine Winners and Losers

['Hamas' Jenkins]

These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others

Winners:

OL:

Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not).

Bruce Campbell. Absolute ****ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills

Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought

Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2.


DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength.

Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams.

Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect.

Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted

Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder.

Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4.


LB:

Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE.

Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer.

Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline.

DB:

Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity.

Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed.


QB:

None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids.

WR:

Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone

Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed.

Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though.


RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question.

Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque.

Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option


TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare.


Losers:

QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a ****ing bum. Well, bums have heart...

Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts.


WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4")

Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock.

Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted

RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was.

TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year.


OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance.


DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass.

George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now.

Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2.

DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh

LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth.

Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more.

Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant.

DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff.

Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Jesus...you people really don't have a clue do you? I understand that it's not a sexy pick, but it's an important one. And the Chiefs have neglected their offensive line for ten years in terms of the draft.

Do you want to know why the Chiefs suck so bad right now? It's because our offensive line is the absolute shits. Other than an old Walters and a young project, this line has no talent whatsoever.

In drafting Okung, you are getting the premier player in his draft class (which looks to be a pretty good class talent wise) at a premier position. Even if he sucks at left tackle, he can play at RT, RG or LG. It's a no brainer pick for a position of great need by the Chiefs. (Because if you don't think that the offensive line doesn't need upgrading then you are either one of two things: 1. Delusional, or 2. Stupid as ****.) What the hell is their to recover from in drafting the best, most highly regarded left tackle in a deep and talented draft?

I'd seriously like to know why you think that it's going to take a long time for the Chiefs to recover if they draft Okung? Seriously, I'd like to know why you think drafting the best left tackle in this draft is a negative thing for a team with an offensive line that's as bad as what the Chiefs put out last season.

Im not gonna read this whole thing. but im going to gloss over it as its gonna be the same old, same old argument...

By picking Okung we squander another chance to pick up a top of the line playmaker. Those chances dont come around every ****ing year and despite the recent picks the chiefs have had, unless we totally skull **** our picks (somewhat like last year ) we are not going to be picking this high again soon.

u dont take Okung because its a need (btw i dont believe it is, cause i think Albert will be fine), u take the value pick e.g. Berry, Clausen. Thus getting a true playmaker. After all its a playmakers league.

Ur argument is basically saying "Lets draft John Tait, when we have a chance to have a franchise qb or an Ed Reed type saftey..."

It most certainly screws over the chiefs cause u dont get that many chances to pick this high. So when u do ud better get value and add a top of the line talent. If ur always going to take the safe option (McClain, Okung, Jackson) ull end up with a mediocre team without enough talent to make any noise in the playoffs. Essentially its the 2003 chiefs again.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Jesus...you people really don't have a clue do you?

How can u say something like this and then go on to say:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Do you want to know why the Chiefs suck so bad right now? It's because our offensive line is the absolute shits. Other than an old Walters and a young project, this line has no talent whatsoever.

are you ****ing serious? the only reason we are bad is the oline?? its one of the reasons sure but the way u act we're a guard and a tackle away from the playoffs.

Jeez mate, i somewhat valued ur opion before. i have my doubts now...

[eazyb81]

PFW is the only place I've seen Weatherspoon listed as a combine loser.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ers-and-losers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Jesus...you people really don't have a clue do you? I understand that it's not a sexy pick, but it's an important one. And the Chiefs have neglected their offensive line for ten years in terms of the draft.

Do you want to know why the Chiefs suck so bad right now? It's because our offensive line is the absolute shits. Other than an old Walters and a young project, this line has no talent whatsoever.

In drafting Okung, you are getting the premier player in his draft class (which looks to be a pretty good class talent wise) at a premier position. Even if he sucks at left tackle, he can play at RT, RG or LG. It's a no brainer pick for a position of great need by the Chiefs. (Because if you don't think that the offensive line doesn't need upgrading then you are either one of two things: 1. Delusional, or 2. Stupid as ****.) What the hell is their to recover from in drafting the best, most highly regarded left tackle in a deep and talented draft?

I'd seriously like to know why you think that it's going to take a long time for the Chiefs to recover if they draft Okung? Seriously, I'd like to know why you think drafting the best left tackle in this draft is a negative thing for a team with an offensive line that's as bad as what the Chiefs put out last season.

Our bad o-line also paved the way for the 2nd best rusher in the second half in the NFL, and kept Cassel mostly on his feet.

And that doesn't shy away from the point that top Guards and Centers go off the board in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Rather than waste the pick on a LT in the #5, why not get 1 or 2 top-of-the-line interior linemen. That would improve the o-line just as much as bringing in Okung would.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Im not gonna read this whole thing. but im going to gloss over it as its gonna be the same old, same old argument...

By picking Okung we squander another chance to pick up a top of the line playmaker. Those chances dont come around every ****ing year and despite the recent picks the chiefs have had, unless we totally skull **** our picks (somewhat like last year ) we are not going to be picking this high again soon.

u dont take Okung because its a need (btw i dont believe it is, cause i think Albert will be fine), u take the value pick e.g. Berry, Clausen. Thus getting a true playmaker. After all its a playmakers league.

Ur argument is basically saying "Lets draft John Tait, when we have a chance to have a franchise qb or an Ed Reed type saftey..."

It most certainly screws over the chiefs cause u dont get that many chances to pick this high. So when u do ud better get value and add a top of the line talent. If ur always going to take the safe option (McClain, Okung, Jackson) ull end up with a mediocre team without enough talent to make any noise in the playoffs. Essentially its the 2003 chiefs again.

and yet it's still just one draft pick

if that pick turns out to be a quality player it doesn't really matter what position they play and it will hardly wreck the franchise for years.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

By picking Okung we squander another chance to pick up a top of the line playmaker. Those chances dont come around every ****ing year and despite the recent picks the chiefs have had, unless we totally skull **** our picks (somewhat like last year ) we are not going to be picking this high again soon.

The only squandering to be done is to miss out on the premier left tackle in a draft. THAT's the chance that doesn't come around very often, because those guys are gone by pick 10, especially ones with the experience and intangibles and high level of play that you are getting from a guy like Okung. Playmakers are always available in the mid to late first round, especially at positions like safety, linebacker, tight end, running back, corner, etc. The three most important positions on the football field are, in order, QB, Rush End, and Blindside Protector. If you have a chance to take the best at one of those positions in a draft, you take it unless you have a top five guy at that position there already on your team.

I agree that Eric Berry has all the intangibles, and looks to be an excellent prospect, but he's not going to do as much for this team as Okung would in terms of providing high level of play at one of the top positions of need and importance. Safety is a luxury pick, and in passing on high level players at core positions for high level players at secondary positions is what will cost this team in the long run. And I'd even argue that Okung matches Berry in terms of physical abilities and intangibles and on-field production relevant to his specific position.

If Okung is off the board, I'd have no problem with the Chiefs taking Berry. They would be stupid not to. But if Okung is on the board, they'd be stupid taking the elite safety over the elite left tackle. However, like I've said, I seriously doubt that they get the opportunity to draft Okung as I don't see how any of the three teams in front of the Chiefs pass on him, especially when one considers that there will most likely be a run on OT's in the first round this year dropping the talent level at that position in the subsequent rounds substantially, while there will still be excellent prospects at safety in the second and subsequent rounds.

I really think that it is going to come down to Bulaga and Berry. If that's the case, I'd much rather have Berry.

u dont take Okung because its a need (btw i dont believe it is, cause i think Albert will be fine), u take the value pick e.g. Berry, Clausen. Thus getting a true playmaker. After all its a playmakers league.

It's not a playmaker league. It's having a very good quarterback, and protecting that quarterback league. It's having a defense that can pressure a quarterback without relying on blitzing. If you have those three things, you have a chance to win every single game. A good quarterback with good protection will beat a defense with elite level players at coverage positions like safety and corner almost every time.

Ur argument is basically saying "Lets draft John Tait, when we have a chance to have a franchise qb or an Ed Reed type saftey..."

Not at all. If you don't have a franchise level quarterback and have the opportunity to draft one, you draft one over every other position. If you have the opportunity to draft an elite rush end (and I mean ELITE) and you don't have one, you take him. And if you have the opportunity to take that elite left tackle and you don't have one, you take him.

And since you mention Ed Reed, there is a reason why he was picked at #24, Polamalu at #16, Bob Sanders in the second round - they are safeties. Guys like that are going to be there, and the Chiefs, once they build their core and give themselves a chance to get better, will have the opportunity to spend first round draft choices on that type of luxury pick. That's what makes good teams great - that they have solid players at the core positions and then supplement their teams with those "playmakers" at luxury positions. You don't build a team the other way around. (Raiders and Matt Millen's Lions are perfect examples of this - having highly skilled "playmakers" at secondary positions while ignoring the core.)

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

PFW is the only place I've seen Weatherspoon listed as a combine loser.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ers-and-losers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."

whoever that "top executive" is should be ****ing fired

[Reaper16]

Saccopoo opining about "luxury picks" when he's got a stiffy for drafting the luxury that is a LT when we already have one is an irony that, while I can recognize it, I cannot appreciate.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

whoever that "top executive" is should be ****ing fired

It's ironic that my first thought was "that sounds like something Pioli or Haley would say..."

Shut your mouth and do as I say, meat patty.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Saccopoo opining about "luxury picks" when he's got a stiffy for drafting the luxury that is a LT when we already have one is an irony that, while I can recognize it, I cannot appreciate.

The true irony is that you think that we actually have a left tackle currently on the roster.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

The true irony is that you think that we actually have a left tackle currently on the roster.

We won't know for sure until Albert is afforded the opportunity to play the position for an entire season without the turmoil of having to learn a new system a week before the season starts. He certainly has the potential to hold down the spot. The same can not be said of the safety position.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

We won't know for sure until Albert is afforded the opportunity to play the position for an entire season without the turmoil of having to learn a new system a week before the season starts. He certainly has the potential to hold down the spot. The same can not be said of the safety position.

Mike Brown was All-Pro. Until they shore up the NT spot, get a better ILB, get more pressure on the qb and have a better corner opposite of Flowers, it wouldn't matter if the Chiefs had Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott back there. A lot of people have this misconception that by drafting Eric Berry that the Chiefs all of a sudden become the Baltimore Ravens defensively, and it doesn't work that way.

I fully understand that both safety positions need help. But so does the offensive line, even more than safety does. Because we don't know for sure about Albert at the LT spot after two full years of starting at the position, regardless of the scheme, it's a red flag at this point.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

We won't know for sure until Albert is afforded the opportunity to play the position for an entire season without the turmoil of having to learn a new system a week before the season starts. He certainly has the potential to hold down the spot. The same can not be said of the safety position.

so then Cassel and the rest of the offensive players get afforded that same opportunity before judgment?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mike Brown was All-Pro.

Yeah, and Willie Mays could play a mean CF with the Giants. Tell that to the Mets.

Mike Brown absolutely killed this defense, as did Corey Mays. Berry would make a far bigger impact on this defense than anyone short of a true dominant NT would. Allowing him to play CF would give our SS more leeway to jump into the plays, it would lets our corners play more aggressively, it would even free the LBs up a bit knowing that they have more help back there.

Granted, Brown and Berry don't play the same position, but the theory holds true. One guy in your backfield that can cover for so many players while simultaneously making huge plays himself is immensly valuable.

But who cares? Clausen FTW!