Combine Winners and Losers

Saccopoo · 03-03-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

We won't know for sure until Albert is afforded the opportunity to play the position for an entire season without the turmoil of having to learn a new system a week before the season starts. He certainly has the potential to hold down the spot. The same can not be said of the safety position.

Mike Brown was All-Pro. Until they shore up the NT spot, get a better ILB, get more pressure on the qb and have a better corner opposite of Flowers, it wouldn't matter if the Chiefs had Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott back there. A lot of people have this misconception that by drafting Eric Berry that the Chiefs all of a sudden become the Baltimore Ravens defensively, and it doesn't work that way.

I fully understand that both safety positions need help. But so does the offensive line, even more than safety does. Because we don't know for sure about Albert at the LT spot after two full years of starting at the position, regardless of the scheme, it's a red flag at this point.

DJ's left nut · 03-03-2010, 02:18 PM

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Mike Brown was All-Pro.

Yeah, and Willie Mays could play a mean CF with the Giants. Tell that to the Mets.

Mike Brown absolutely killed this defense, as did Corey Mays. Berry would make a far bigger impact on this defense than anyone short of a true dominant NT would. Allowing him to play CF would give our SS more leeway to jump into the plays, it would lets our corners play more aggressively, it would even free the LBs up a bit knowing that they have more help back there.

Granted, Brown and Berry don't play the same position, but the theory holds true. One guy in your backfield that can cover for so many players while simultaneously making huge plays himself is immensly valuable.

But who cares? Clausen FTW!

Frosty · 03-03-2010, 02:24 PM

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Mike Brown absolutely killed this defense,

So why is it that the one year that Mike Brown isn't injury prone is the year that he is sucking it up for the Chiefs? This franchise is cursed.

DJ's left nut · 03-03-2010, 02:26 PM

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So why is it that the one year that Mike Brown isn't injury prone is the year that he is sucking it up for the Chiefs? This franchise is cursed.

Valid point.

The worthless asswipe could've at least blown out his knee again or something.

**Reaper16** · 03-03-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mike Brown was All-Pro. Until they shore up the NT spot, get a better ILB, get more pressure on the qb and have a better corner opposite of Flowers, it wouldn't matter if the Chiefs had Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott back there. A lot of people have this misconception that by drafting Eric Berry that the Chiefs all of a sudden become the Baltimore Ravens defensively, and it doesn't work that way.

I fully understand that both safety positions need help. But so does the offensive line, even more than safety does. Because we don't know for sure about Albert at the LT spot after two full years of starting at the position, regardless of the scheme, it's a red flag at this point.

Oh Jesus Christ please watch football more. Not only do you think Albert doesn't have it but you think Carr doesn't have it either?

Saccopoo · 03-03-2010, 03:35 PM

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Oh Jesus Christ please watch football more. Not only do you think Albert doesn't have it but you think Carr doesn't have it either?

Carr has gotten better, but he still struggles with his hip turn and loses a lot of his speed when receivers go on post routes against him.

He's okay I guess.

And I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Albert has struggled at left tackle for two years now. It's not just me who has come to this conclusion.

**Reaper16** · 03-03-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Carr has gotten better, but he still struggles with his hip turn and loses a lot of his speed when receivers go on post routes against him.

He's okay I guess.

And I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Albert has struggled at left tackle for two years now. It's not just me who has come to this conclusion.

OK you guess? He was basically equivalent to Flowers last year (minus the ball skills). Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

L.A. Chieffan · 03-03-2010, 03:44 PM

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Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

He was too fat/Haley

DJ's left nut · 03-03-2010, 04:07 PM

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OK you guess? He was basically equivalent to Flowers last year (minus the ball skills). Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

Albert also improved markedly as the season progressed last season.

The kid is a LT in this league.

I've had this discussion several times already, but we ran the ball as anyone in football in the 2nd half last year and got sacked singificantly less often as the season went on (even with Cassel's ball-clamping ways back there). The line was pretty decent as the season went on.

I've said it before, outside of the CBs and Charles, the O-line was our most effective unit by the end of the season.

milkman · 03-03-2010, 04:16 PM

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Albert also improved markedly as the season progressed last season.

The kid is a LT in this league.

I've had this discussion several times already, but we ran the ball as anyone in football in the 2nd half last year and got sacked singificantly less often as the season went on (even with Cassel's ball-clamping ways back there). The line was pretty decent as the season went on.

I've said it before, outside of the CBs and Charles, the O-line was our most effective unit by the end of the season.

No, no, no.

Albert has been shit since the day he was born.

Just ask sackofshit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-06-2010, 06:19 PM

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And I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Albert has struggled at left tackle for two years now. It's not just me who has come to this conclusion.

Huh?

milkman · 03-06-2010, 06:34 PM

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Huh?

I'm guessing he's talking about all the so called experts who probably haven't watched this team since Dick left.

Saccopoo · 03-07-2010, 03:35 AM

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Huh?

Don't respond to one of my posts until you go to Johnny's Pastrami on Sepulveda in Culver City.

You do not exist as a Los Angelesian until you do so.

Chiefnj2 · 03-03-2010, 03:32 PM

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Mike Brown was All-Pro. .

Are you serious? You are saying that KC doesn't have a dire need for a safety because Mike Brown was an all pro when Dick Vermeil was coaching the Chiefs? That's full reerun.

Saccopoo · 03-03-2010, 03:40 PM

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Are you serious? You are saying that KC doesn't have a dire need for a safety because Mike Brown was an all pro when Dick Vermeil was coaching the Chiefs? That's full reerun.

No, I'm saying that a safety needs help from the people up front to create situations where mistakes are being made by the quarterback, running back, receivers, etc. that allow the safety to make plays versus forcing them to be the "last line of defense" guy that Brown and McGraw were last season.

Im saying that Brown has been a playmaker for his whole career, but having an excellent defense in front of him allowed him to make those plays. On the Chiefs, there wasn't much happening that allowed him to do that.

As I stated, you could put Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott on this team and it wouldn't drastically help matters. That's why I'm saying that the pick of Berry is a bit frivolous at this point for the Chiefs. (Although he would help in nickel alignment situations.)