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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

It's not a horrible trade.. Ludwick was due arbritation at the end of the year, and was gonna cost them around 8 million next year.. Jon Jay has been a beast,and is young and CHEAP, which will help get Albert signed. And the Indians sent the Cards cash as well.

Westbrook is WAY better than Suppan or Hawksworth, so we made our rotation a little better, saved 8 million, and it gives us more room to sign Albert..

1) Jon Jay has a career Sub-800 OPS in the minor leagues. His play so far has been an aberration. He'll never be an every day starter for this team. He's much better suited as a 4th OF.

2) If you are looking for someone as a Ludwick replacement, look at Craig

3) We are downgrading our outfield defense

4) Although we can offer Ludwick arb next year, you'd have to be a fool to think that he couldn't command more than Jake Westbrook on the open market. In essence, we save no money.

5) The Indians only sent us cash to offset the INCREASE in salary that Westbrook gets relative to Ludwick.

6) Let's say that we retain Westbrook next year. Then, not only would we pay more than Ludwick, we'd be paying $3 million more (11 vs. 8....assuming we wouldn't trade Luddy) for a 1 WAR pitcher.

By no measure does this make the team better unless you assume that Jon Jay continues to hit at a clip that he's never been able to hit at even in the major leagues. That's not a knock on Jay, either.

[LiL stumppy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

1) Jon Jay has a career Sub-800 OPS in the minor leagues. His play so far has been an aberration. He'll never be an every day starter for this team. He's much better suited as a 4th OF.

2) If you are looking for someone as a Ludwick replacement, look at Craig

3) We are downgrading our outfield defense

4) Although we can offer Ludwick arb next year, you'd have to be a fool to think that he couldn't command more than Jake Westbrook on the open market. In essence, we save no money.

5) The Indians only sent us cash to offset the INCREASE in salary that Westbrook gets relative to Ludwick.

6) Let's say that we retain Westbrook next year. Then, not only would we pay more than Ludwick, we'd be paying $3 million more (11 vs. 8....assuming we wouldn't trade Luddy) for a 1 WAR pitcher.

By no measure does this make the team better unless you assume that Jon Jay continues to hit at a clip that he's never been able to hit at even in the major leagues. That's not a knock on Jay, either.

This board is filled with so many people that can see the future it's unbelievable. No one knows if John Jay will be an everday starter, so you can't say he never will be.. He's been lights out, they save money, they rotation gets better..

I am not saying player for player it's a good trade, but it's not as horrible as your making it out to be..

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

This board is filled with so many people that can see the future it's unbelievable. No one knows if John Jay will be an everday starter, so you can't say he never will be.. He's been lights out, they save money, they rotation gets better..

I am not saying player for player it's a good trade, but it's not as horrible as your making it out to be..

I'm sorry that using past results in the minor leagues that indicate that he doesn't have the power or speed to stick in the OF somehow comes off to your dumb Okie ass as being clairvoyant.

Don't worry, though. I'm sure he'll keep his .446 BABIP up.

[LiL stumppy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sorry that using past results in the minor leagues that indicate that he doesn't have the power or speed to stick in the OF somehow comes off to your dumb Okie ass as being clairvoyant.

Don't worry, though. I'm sure he'll keep his .446 BABIP up.

Players do get better?















Right?

[Buck]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

1) Jon Jay has a career Sub-800 OPS in the minor leagues. His play so far has been an aberration. He'll never be an every day starter for this team. He's much better suited as a 4th OF.

2) If you are looking for someone as a Ludwick replacement, look at Craig

3) We are downgrading our outfield defense

4) Although we can offer Ludwick arb next year, you'd have to be a fool to think that he couldn't command more than Jake Westbrook on the open market. In essence, we save no money.

5) The Indians only sent us cash to offset the INCREASE in salary that Westbrook gets relative to Ludwick.

6) Let's say that we retain Westbrook next year. Then, not only would we pay more than Ludwick, we'd be paying $3 million more (11 vs. 8....assuming we wouldn't trade Luddy) for a 1 WAR pitcher.

By no measure does this make the team better unless you assume that Jon Jay continues to hit at a clip that he's never been able to hit at even in the major leagues. That's not a knock on Jay, either.

And despite all this you will beat the Padres in the first round of the playoffs, again.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Buck

And despite all this you will beat the Padres in the first round of the playoffs, again.

If you can score two runs a game, you'll get us.

This offense is atrocious.

4 of the 9 batters are automatic outs: (Shumaker/Miles, Ryan, Molina, Pitcher's spot), and against LHP, that list expands further.