Mike Vick: I would like to own a dog again someday

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Fine. This is similar to that sex offender list nonsense.

Either you have paid your debt to society or you have not. Either you should be in jail, a mental institution, or free. If you are free, you should be free. Get rid of the list (or put them into a mental institution), let Vick have his dog, and move on.

I understand restraining orders from specific people who are threatened, but aside from exceptions like that, we should get away from this whole "ok, we'll let you go, but..." stuff. If you let them go, let them go. If you aren't sure, why let them go?

Because people for some reason got tired of a little thing called repeat sex offenders. I am 100% ok with them being put away till they die, but if they can't do that, then sure as shit they better take some sort of actions to try to prevent them doing it again.

Talking about Vick and dogs and rapists and women/children in the same thought process is ignorant.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Because people for some reason got tired of a little thing called repeat sex offenders. I am 100% ok with them being put away till they die, but if they can't do that, then sure as shit they better take some sort of actions to try to prevent them doing it again.

Talking about Vick and dogs and rapists and women/children in the same thought process is ignorant.

People get tired of repeat bank robbers, repeat drunk drivers, repeat vandals, repeat insert name of crime here. You know what we do when they repeat? WE PUT THEM BACK INTO F**KING JAIL! If you think someone is mentally crazy to the point where they will rape another child, first of all maybe the sentence was too light, but second you can put them away.

If you are free, you should be free, none of this half-assed bullcrap, if we dont trust you anymore, you should be in a mental institution.

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by alnorth

People get tired of repeat bank robbers, repeat drunk drivers , repeat vandals, repeat insert name of crime here. You know what we do when they repeat? WE PUT THEM BACK INTO F**KING JAIL! If you think someone is mentally crazy to the point where they will rape another child, first of all maybe the sentence was too light, but second you can put them away.

If you are free, you should be free, none of this half-assed bullcrap, if we dont trust you anymore, you should be in a mental institution.

Repeat drunk drivers had the chance of being murder, which it the only one close to rape. All of the other things are nothing....money can be made back or returned, vandalism (really...you compare that?) can be cleaned. If they rape someone else, they cannot be un-raped. Sorry if you don't like being on the list, but your argument here is pretty much utterly ****ed up.

The list works for a lot of people and isn't much of a hinderance on them. Some people might find out about them, but that could be just as easily found out in the library going through arrest reports or convictions. Rape crimes are not at all like other crimes, the same as ones where criminals can be put to death, or sentanced to life without parole.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Repeat drunk drivers had the chance of being murder, which it the only one close to rape. All of the other things are nothing....money can be made back or returned, vandalism (really...you compare that?) can be cleaned. If they rape someone else, they cannot be un-raped. Sorry if you don't like being on the list, but your argument here is pretty much utterly ****ed up.

The list works for a lot of people and isn't much of a hinderance on them. Some people might find out about them, but that could be just as easily found out in the library going through arrest reports or convictions. Rape crimes are not at all like other crimes, the same as ones where criminals can be put to death, or sentanced to life without parole.

This argument is completely stupid. You glossed right the hell over the alternatives I was bringing up as if I didnt say them and was instead advocating that we release all pedophiles and let them run wild. Let me spell it out for you, clearly and slowly.

If you want to impose the death penalty for child rape, fine. If you want life in prison for the crime, fine. If you think someone is genuinely crazy where they aren't responsible for their actions so prison is not appropriate but they are still a danger to society and have to spend most of their life in a mental institution, fine.

I am not saying lower the punishment, if anything it should be higher, so your high and mighty "oh how dare you underestimate these crimes" argument is misdirected, wrong, and irrelevant. You want to bring the hammer down, then bring the hammer down.

But, your lists are bulls**t. If you are free, you should be free, period. If you are that damned scared of someone being free, perhaps they shouldnt be free.

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by alnorth

This argument is completely stupid. You glossed right the hell over the alternatives I was bringing up as if I didnt say them and was instead advocating that we release all pedophiles and let them run wild. Let me spell it out for you, clearly and slowly.

If you want to impose the death penalty for child rape, fine. If you want life in prison for the crime, fine. If you think someone is genuinely crazy where they aren't responsible for their actions so prison is not appropriate but they are still a danger to society and have to spend most of their life in a mental institution, fine.

I am not saying lower the punishment, if anything it should be higher, so your high and mighty "oh how dare you underestimate these crimes" argument is misdirected, wrong, and irrelevant. You want to bring the hammer down, then bring the hammer down.

But, your lists are bulls**t. If you are free, you should be free, period. If you are that damned scared of someone being free, perhaps they shouldnt be free.

Got it....alcatraz for everyone because different levels of rehabilitation is wrong.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Got it....alcatraz for everyone because different levels of rehabilitation is wrong.

These lists are not rehabilitation, they are permenant scarlet letters. Rehabilitation implies that you could be rehabilitated and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but there's not. This is forever, guilty at 18 and out of jail at 29? You get to live with this until 125 with no recourse.

The logic that says these lists (and restrictions on where you can live) is fine could also be used to say that these sex offenders should have an old fashioned cattle iron in the shape of an S heated in a fire and seared into their forehead for all to see and avoid. Why not? we can give them painkillers and have a doctor oversee it so there's no health risk.

If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by alnorth

If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.

This is simplistic logic. If they would rather be released, and the public is OK with them being released so long as they comply with sex offender lists, why should that not be done? If they don't want to be on the list, then they can go back to jail....they have that option.

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by alnorth

These lists are not rehabilitation, they are permenant scarlet letters. Rehabilitation implies that you could be rehabilitated and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but there's not. This is forever, guilty at 18 and out of jail at 29? You get to live with this until 125 with no recourse.

The logic that says these lists (and restrictions on where you can live) is fine could also be used to say that these sex offenders should have an old fashioned cattle iron in the shape of an S heated in a fire and seared into their forehead for all to see and avoid. Why not? we can give them painkillers and have a doctor oversee it so there's no health risk.

If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.

I don't get your point anymore....are your panties in a wad over them not being in jail long enough? Or thinking that reporting their address and work location to authorities is cruel and unusual? If it helps protect kids and women from people that have been proven by their peers to have done something to harm them in the past, then what are you so hellbent against it for?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by alnorth

These lists are not rehabilitation, they are permenant scarlet letters. Rehabilitation implies that you could be rehabilitated and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but there's not. This is forever, guilty at 18 and out of jail at 29? You get to live with this until 125 with no recourse.

The logic that says these lists (and restrictions on where you can live) is fine could also be used to say that these sex offenders should have an old fashioned cattle iron in the shape of an S heated in a fire and seared into their forehead for all to see and avoid. Why not? we can give them painkillers and have a doctor oversee it so there's no health risk.

If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.

Hell, I'm all for this. "Why not?" is right.

However, I'd rather them have a brand of a penis on their forehead, not an S. It would be a sort of permanent mushroom stamp.