I owe Kyle Orton an apology...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.

The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.

I am kind of sick of arguing.

Cassel isn't great, he just isn't as bad as the guys on here think.

And, forgive me for not wanting to change my opinion of Orton after one game against a bad defense.

I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

I am kind of sick of arguing.

Translation: I'm looking for way out of this but I can't find one that allows me to exit and not look like a fool.
I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Translation: I'm looking for way out of this but I can't find one that allows me to exit and not look like a fool.
I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.

#1) Haley is gone. My point has always been that Haley sucks. He is gone.


I don't care if the Chiefs keep Orton or Cassel. I just didn't blame Cassel for Haley's ineffectiveness.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.

QBs have been open all year, Cassell couldn't find them. The cameras did though.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan

The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.

I am kind of sick of arguing.

Cassel isn't great, he just isn't as bad as the guys on here think.

And, forgive me for not wanting to change my opinion of Orton after one game against a bad defense.

I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.

Cassel is awful at selling playaction fakes
He sells the screen way too soon whereas orton coolly waits for it to develop. He also has absolutely no touch--the screen recipient always has to reach high to gnab it
Orton for the most part was on target all day whereas cassel is far too inaccurate for a starting qb
In almost every game in his career, cassel has taken about 2 quarters to warm up. Orton was great from the get go
Orton scans the entire field. Cassel panics when the primary read is off. Then he usually checks down.
Saw orton in the pre snap actually making adjustments. Case in point... First pass of the game, blitz came left and he immediately gunned it to the hot route
The oline was significantly better because orton was punishing gb when they chose to blitz. That's what good qbs do. Cassel does not.

Name one thing cassel does better than orton? Because I can't think of a single thing. Both have no track record of clutch play. Orton throws a better deep ball. He throws a more accurate ball. He actually reads defenses pre snaps. He has a much better feel for the position like selling play fakes, having the recognition to run a quick count on a wr screen, etc...Tell me ONE THING.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Name one thing cassel does better than orton? Because I can't think of a single thing. Both have no track record of clutch play. Orton throws a better deep ball. He throws a more accurate ball. He actually reads defenses pre snaps. He has a much better feel for the position like selling play fakes, having the recognition to run a quick count on a wr screen, etc...Tell me ONE THING.

Putting up moderately impressive TD/INT numbers against the easiest schedule in the league, using a customized game plan to minimize mistakes and make ultra-safe passes.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Putting up moderately impressive TD/INT numbers against the easiest schedule in the league, using a customized game plan to minimize mistakes and make ultra-safe passes.

As opposed to all those OC's who customize game plans to maximize mistakes and make risky passes.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

As opposed to all those OC's who customize game plans to maximize mistakes and make risky passes.

Hey, don't talk about Haley like that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

As opposed to all those OC's who customize game plans to maximize mistakes and make risky passes.

The packers game plan around Aaron Rodgers. And they are not afraid to dial up higher risk pass plays.

The chiefs game plan to keep the ball out of cassels hands. Because when they put it squarely in his hands, he struggles.

Thats the huge distinction.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

As opposed to all those OC's who customize game plans to maximize mistakes and make risky passes.

That's not the opposite of what I said. The opposite is taking chances for bigger gains and executing passes into challenging windows. Things proficient QBs can take advantage of