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Old 12-20-2011, 09:27 AM   #1
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2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.
When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:28 AM   #2
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When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.
Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:34 AM   #3
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Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?
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He didn't have the running games or the multiple threats we'll possess.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:56 AM   #4
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Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?
He had Marshall and Lloyd. Both are number 1 wide receivers. And Orton didn't make Lloyd a better player. They actually ---(gas)---worked together very hard int he off-season to get better. Plus they were together in Chicago.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:34 AM   #6
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When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.
Even if he did have a #1 WR, he has a history of letting pressure bring out the worst in him.

It doesn't matter if you have 4 HOF WRs running around out there, if you shit your pants under pressure you're ****ed.

Now, maybe our playmakers + defense might reduce the amount of pressure situations he has to face. But at some point the D is probably going to falter, probably against a superior QB in the playoffs...so then you wonder if Orton can respond.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:39 AM   #7
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Even if he did have a #1 WR, he has a history of letting pressure bring out the worst in him.

It doesn't matter if you have 4 HOF WRs running around out there, if you shit your pants under pressure you're ****ed.

Now, maybe our playmakers + defense might reduce the amount of pressure situations he has to face. But at some point the D is probably going to falter, probably against a superior QB in the playoffs...so then you wonder if Orton can respond.
Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.
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Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.
Actually, mostly I'm talking about pass rush pressure.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times he had to throw under pressure against GB.

There's a reason Broncos fans called him "The Pocket Sloth"
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:42 AM   #9
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Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.
And this is why we will never be a serious playoff or super bowl contender..

This line of thinking isnt how teams that win superbowls think.
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Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.
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Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

there is not a facepalm in the universe large enough to adequately respond to this....


jesus facepalm christ, we'll spend 30 years drafting OL, but never not even once a QB...BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL THAT WAY RIGHT?

i don't even care if you kill yourself at this point because I'm going to off myself anyways...
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