Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 4

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

-King- · 12-20-2011, 09:32 AM

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Pasta Little Brioni · 12-20-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Great receivers can help elevate a QB. Bowe hasn't had a TD in 9 games. Gonzo had crap throwing to him for many games and was still able to consistently beat double and triple teams.

His stats are on par of where Andre Johnson was at that stage in his career. He can't force a shit QB to read a defense better.

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?

2009	DEN	16	336	541	62.1	3,802	7.03	21		12	3	86.8
2010	DEN	13	293	498	58.8	3,653	7.34	20		9	1	87.5

	DEN	16	336	541	62.1	3,802	7.03	21	87	12	3	86.8
	DEN	13	293	498	58.8	3,653	7.34	20	71	9	1	87.5

He didn't have the running games or the multiple threats we'll possess.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.

Even if he did have a #1 WR, he has a history of letting pressure bring out the worst in him.

It doesn't matter if you have 4 HOF WRs running around out there, if you shit your pants under pressure you're ****ed.

Now, maybe our playmakers + defense might reduce the amount of pressure situations he has to face. But at some point the D is probably going to falter, probably against a superior QB in the playoffs...so then you wonder if Orton can respond.

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Even if he did have a #1 WR, he has a history of letting pressure bring out the worst in him.

It doesn't matter if you have 4 HOF WRs running around out there, if you shit your pants under pressure you're ****ed.

Now, maybe our playmakers + defense might reduce the amount of pressure situations he has to face. But at some point the D is probably going to falter, probably against a superior QB in the playoffs...so then you wonder if Orton can respond.

Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

Actually, mostly I'm talking about pass rush pressure.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times he had to throw under pressure against GB.

There's a reason Broncos fans called him "The Pocket Sloth"

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Like the pressure of scoring to put us back on top after GB went up?
Or like the pressure to knock the game out of reach with timely throws at the end in his first game ever with less than 2 weeks of preparation with a new team?

I get your point but we know what we got in Orton... Not ready to throw the draft at a #1 QB when we have so many O-Line needs.

And this is why we will never be a serious playoff or super bowl contender..

This line of thinking isnt how teams that win superbowls think.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-20-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

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THIS!

TRUE FANS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!

Brock · 12-20-2011, 09:55 AM

I like Orton, I want to sign him to a deal, but let's face the facts. Better than Cassel shouldn't be the goal.

-King- · 12-20-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I like Orton, I want to sign him to a deal, but let's face the facts. Better than Cassel shouldn't be the goal.

This. This. 500x this!
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Garcia Bronco · 12-20-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?

He had Marshall and Lloyd. Both are number 1 wide receivers. And Orton didn't make Lloyd a better player. They actually ---(gas)---worked together very hard int he off-season to get better. Plus they were together in Chicago.

Rasputin · 12-20-2011, 09:59 AM

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FringeNC · 12-20-2011, 10:00 AM

I re-watched the DirecTV 30 minute condensed game and Kyle Orton's performance was the first time since Trent Green that we've had a quarterback who could read the defense and make the throw. I don't know how good Orton can be, but he reminded me of Trent Green even more the second time I watched the game. He's certainly good enough to be our starter while we groom an early pick.

Kyle Orton is on a completely different level than Matt Cassel.

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.

Our line is supposedly one of the worst in the league and he didn't turn to goo one time.

Either he's not what Bronco fan says he is, or our line isn't what Chiefs fan say it is...

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I like Orton, I want to sign him to a deal, but let's face the facts. Better than Cassel shouldn't be the goal.

This.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-20-2011, 10:00 AM	#58
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1773986	I re-watched the DirecTV 30 minute condensed game and Kyle Orton's performance was the first time since Trent Green that we've had a quarterback who could read the defense and make the throw. I don't know how good Orton can be, but he reminded me of Trent Green even more the second time I watched the game. He's certainly good enough to be our starter while we groom an early pick. Kyle Orton is on a completely different level than Matt Cassel.
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