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Old 01-10-2012, 01:53 PM  
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Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.



Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.



3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.



4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.



5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.



6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.



7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.


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Old 01-12-2012, 01:28 AM   #76
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:49 AM   #77
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Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.
Crappy runners will also skew it as well, just in the other direction. We went from a great back to Jones/Battle/McCluster. Charles probably helped the line more than those three hurt it, but its still looking at two extremes. Even if an average RB was used next year, the numbers might fall a little further in the middle.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:57 PM   #78
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They are, but a quality C and RT can be had in later rounds. Sac is a True Fans wet dream.
You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:05 PM   #79
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I'm actually fine with the first two rounds you have here Sac. I'd replace one of the picks with Chris Polks if he is still around. I don't really like Ballard that well but he would be alright.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:06 PM   #80
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The first two picks of this draft sure up the offensive line for the next 10 years.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:08 PM   #81
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It would be awesome if we could trade down, still get Konz, pick up a second rounder, and draft Hightower and Reynolds in the second.
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It would be awesome if we could trade down, still get Konz, pick up a second rounder, and draft Hightower and Reynolds in the second.
Shit. If Ricky Stanzi really is Tom Brady, that's a Super Bowl right there.
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Old 01-13-2012, 11:02 PM   #83
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There we go.


Stanzi equals Super Bowl
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Old 01-13-2012, 11:49 PM   #84
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It would be awesome if we could trade down, still get Konz, pick up a second rounder, and draft Hightower and Reynolds in the second.
I couldn't think of a better scenario for the Chiefs.

Other than the first ten teams passing on Luck.

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I'd be good with the top two picks both came as the result of trade down profit.

Take Konz at around 17 or 18 and then Reynolds with the trade down profit.

That would leave us with our original 2nd to work with, as well.
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I obviously didn't read the rest of the thread before posting that.

n00b mistake.

Carry on.

Now I have to go take a shower after agreeing with sac on something draft related.
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I still don't understand the love for a 2nd rounder on Matt Reynolds. No one, and I repeat... no one has him ranked above Potter. Potter is rolling with a 3rd round grade. The only person who has Reynolds ranked in the 2nd-3rd round is Walter. Then you look at his mock draft and he doesn't even have him in his first 4 rounds because he hasn't updated his OT rankings in a month.

Isn't he having surgery on his shoulder?

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Old 01-15-2012, 12:44 AM   #88
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I still don't understand the love for a 2nd rounder on Matt Reynolds. No one, and I repeat... no one has him ranked above Potter. Potter is rolling with a 3rd round grade. The only person who has Reynolds ranked in the 2nd-3rd round is Walter. Then you look at his mock draft and he doesn't even have him in his first 4 rounds because he hasn't updated his OT rankings in a month.

Isn't he having surgery on his shoulder?
He's big, athletic, experienced, durable (started every game in his four year career) and is effective in both the run and pass. He's very consistent in his game and has played well against the good teams that BYU has faced.

The mockers don't like his age (he'll be 26 when he plays in the NFL) and probably use it to push him down in their drafts, but he's NFL ready and will be able to play on either side of the line. I seriously doubt that he'll make it out of the second round.

And, to the best of my knowledge, he had ortho on his shoulder after the 2010 season - not this season. (He'll play in the East-West Shrine game this month.)

Two time BYU team captain, three-time conference first team, Lombardi and Outland nominee, former HS All-American and the third highest ranked recruit ever at BYU.

He dropped weight this past season and played at 305 in 2011. I think he plays better at the 325 mark and is most likely suited to the right side of the line. However, his extensive experience at left tackle in college gives him a solid foundation in pass protection.

I think he'd be balls as a right tackle and the Chiefs desperately need one.

He might last until the fourth, but I seriously doubt it. Guys of his size, experience, athletic ability and production don't really stick around that long in the draft.

IMO, Potter is a pure LT in the Ryan Clady mold. If you want to move Albert over to the right side and put Potter in at LT, then okay.

I think I'd rather have Albert/Reynolds then Potter/Albert at this point. (I don't think Albert would be a very good RT.)
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:13 AM   #89
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And adding to the Reynolds thing, I really think that some people doing internet mocks have never seen most of these guys play. Here is some quotes on Reynolds from fftoolbox draft grades:

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Undersized? The guy is huge, with a big, thick base. He's damn near prototype size for an NFL right tackle. Tell me if this looks undersized:





The guy is seven times bigger than anyone else on the field.

And he's always been a guy who absolutely plays through the whistle looking to put his guy on the ground. Plays mean and always finishes the play.



(And even after dropping weight, and in the final game of the season, he still looks completely undersized, right?)

I doubt most people doing mocks have even watched a team west of the Mississippi play, let alone do a serious evaluation of a specific player.

No, Reynolds is a very good player and I seriously doubt he sees the end of the second round. You never know, but as I stated, I think he's got all the tools to be a Day 1 starter at the next level at RT and play there for a long time.

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I like how you picked pictures of him taking on defensive backs for a size comparison.
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